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PoppaJo 9th Jan 2022 08:28

Going to be a struggle to even fly the way it’s going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.

Melbourne/Sydney bases in trouble. Looks like at least 50 cancelled out of each tomorrow.

planedriver 9th Jan 2022 09:38


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11167454)
Going to be a struggle to even fly the way it’s going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.

Melbourne/Sydney bases in trouble. Looks like at least 50 cancelled out of each tomorrow.

Across all airlines? Seen a bunch of J* cancellations but Qf seems to be reducing frequency due low loads on some flights not due crew shortages from what Ive heard

dr dre 9th Jan 2022 10:58


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11167454)
Going to be a struggle to even fly the way it’s going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.

What I think that this pandemic is showing is how much all employers in all industries have relied on workers coming into work while sick. We've all done it, come in with just a "minor virus" or come back to work after a cold a day or two before we should have. Don't want to piss off the boss too much.

What we're seeing now is the effect on society if everyone had a full week off after a contagious illness, as they really should, to prevent passing it on. Have a think if people took a full 7 days off after every cold or illness they got in winter 2019 or before and how disrupted a business would be. Industries work their employers to the bone, and employ only the bare essential number. The best thing would be to increase sick leave and for companies to employ enough workers to cover those who are sick. But once this pandemic is over I think those phone calls pressuring workers to come to work while sick or return ASAP will resume.

SOPS 9th Jan 2022 11:14

I have just come from our local supermarket here in Perth. The shelves are getting empty. Speaking to the owner ( it’s an iGA ), he said there are big supply problems from the Eastern States. I just saw the QLD Premier saying she is worried about keeping the lights on, water running and food on the shelves. NSW is changing isolation rules to try and keep food on the shelves. Flights are being cancelled because of lack of crew and/ or passengers ( I’m surprised about the lack of passengers, I kept hearing about how opening the borders will release a huge pent up demand… it seems sick people don’t like to travel.)

I am waiting to see how long it takes to affect fuel supplies.

Hospitals admissions continue to climb. ICU admissions continue an upward trend. Available health care workers continue a downward trend as more get sick.

I could continue…. So I just want to check. This was the plan, wasn’t it? Open up and all will be normal. That was the idea, was it not? Just checking.

Wizofoz 9th Jan 2022 11:31


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11167516)
What I think that this pandemic is showing is how much all employers in all industries have relied on workers coming into work while sick. We've all done it, come in with just a "minor virus" or come back to work after a cold a day or two before we should have. Don't want to piss off the boss too much.

What we're seeing now is the effect on society if everyone had a full week off after a contagious illness, as they really should, to prevent passing it on. Have a think if people took a full 7 days off after every cold or illness they got in winter 2019 or before and how disrupted a business would be. Industries work their employers to the bone, and employ only the bare essential number. The best thing would be to increase sick leave and for companies to employ enough workers to cover those who are sick. But once this pandemic is over I think those phone calls pressuring workers to come to work while sick or return ASAP will resume.

When i worked for easyJet they had the usual problem of flight attemdents taking much more sick leave than the rest of the workforce.

Their solution? They hired a third-party medical service, so if an employee called in sick, they would be transfered to a nurse.

Conversations went like this-

"Hi- I've got a cold, I need two days off sick".

"What do you do?"

"Flight attendent".

"Oh- well the guide-lines say that flightcrew need seven days off in the event of respitory infection, so I'll mark you sick for the week?"

"Err, yes- yes that would be fine...."

The system didn't last long....

chookcooker 9th Jan 2022 11:37


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11166497)
completely agree 43. My point was the media portray the AMA as some association of dogooders with only the public interest at heart, whereas in actual fact, they are exactly as you describe.

it’s worse than that, the AMA president is often introduced in media as “One of Australia’s Top Doctors”. I certainly don’t call the head of my union “one of Australians top pilots”.

Jester64 9th Jan 2022 11:47


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167525)
I have just come from our local supermarket here in Perth. The shelves are getting empty. Speaking to the owner ( it’s an iGA ), he said there are big supply problems from the Eastern States. I just saw the QLD Premier saying she is worried about keeping the lights on, water running and food on the shelves. NSW is changing isolation rules to try and keep food on the shelves. Flights are being cancelled because of lack of crew and/ or passengers ( I’m surprised about the lack of passengers, I kept hearing about how opening the borders will release a huge pent up demand… it seems sick people don’t like to travel.)

I am waiting to see how long it takes to affect fuel supplies.

Hospitals admissions continue to climb. ICU admissions continue an upward trend. Available health care workers continue a downward trend as more get sick.

I could continue…. So I just want to check. This was the plan, wasn’t it? Open up and all will be normal. That was the idea, was it not? Just checking.

SOPS…Omicron threw a spanner in the works with its transmissibility. What’s happening is due to Omicron, not the border opening. Omicron is more transmissible, but less severe so it comes with some benefit. They made the best decision at the time based on the information available at the time, as do we as pilots. A new threat has presented itself in the form of a new variant, so that threat has to be dealt with, and if needed, the mission will be changed. They are changing the rules regarding isolation in critical industries, they’ve changed the testing requirements etc. The new threat is not ICU or ventilator shortage, it’s supply chain and labour shortage. Which would you rather have? You honestly sound petrified.

Regarding the upward trend in hospitalisations, that’s always going to happen. But take a look at the numbers in NSW: 38 on ventilators with 1962 spare ventilators. SA Health for example have come out and said whilst their case numbers are more than what they forecast, their actual ICU are less then forecast.

dr dre 9th Jan 2022 12:51


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167525)

I could continue…. So I just want to check. This was the plan, wasn’t it? Open up and all will be normal. That was the idea, was it not? Just checking.

When you've got the media highlighting every case load in every bulletin, massively long lines for testing, archaic rules that enforced close contact isolation, people afraid to go out and get tested lest they have to isolate and still quite a few that believe Covid is highly fatal then yeah that leads to a decrease in consumer sentiment. In addition to border rules still in effect, some states still requiring PCR testing and we also ahve a nation that is used to generally low case numbers.

But we do know that once waves have passed people travel again. Ryanair's second half 2021 loads matched their second half 2019 loads. Miami International Airport processed more passengers in November 2021 than November 2019.

It'll happen in Australia too once the initial post opening wave has passed, give it a month or so.

goodonyamate 9th Jan 2022 17:37


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167525)
I have just come from our local supermarket here in Perth. The shelves are getting empty. Speaking to the owner ( it’s an iGA ), he said there are big supply problems from the Eastern States. I just saw the QLD Premier saying she is worried about keeping the lights on, water running and food on the shelves. NSW is changing isolation rules to try and keep food on the shelves. Flights are being cancelled because of lack of crew and/ or passengers ( I’m surprised about the lack of passengers, I kept hearing about how opening the borders will release a huge pent up demand… it seems sick people don’t like to travel.)

I am waiting to see how long it takes to affect fuel supplies.

Hospitals admissions continue to climb. ICU admissions continue an upward trend. Available health care workers continue a downward trend as more get sick.

I could continue…. So I just want to check. This was the plan, wasn’t it? Open up and all will be normal. That was the idea, was it not? Just checking.

but you’re not open. You’re still living in hermit land. Oh that’s right. You don’t want to open so families can be reunited etc. you just want supplies from the eastern states. So stay closed, but take supplies. I guess a trip to the local IGA is pretty much all you’ve got these days. Is that the plan yeah?

SHVC 9th Jan 2022 20:20

Either open and stop this isolation rubbish or close all borders now and go back to lockdown, as it stands now we are not really open. Society can not function they way it is heading, I’m currently trying to navigate a closed day care, buy food as they shelfs are empty and many other things.

SOPS 10th Jan 2022 02:07


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11167645)
but you’re not open. You’re still living in hermit land. Oh that’s right. You don’t want to open so families can be reunited etc. you just want supplies from the eastern states. So stay closed, but take supplies. I guess a trip to the local IGA is pretty much all you’ve got these days. Is that the plan yeah?

Life is normal here thanks. Very few restrictions. ( basically none). No one has died from covid. I’m pretty sure no one is in ICU. Life is pretty good in the hermit kingdom.

Jester64 10th Jan 2022 02:12


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167809)
Life is normal here thanks. Very few restrictions. ( basically none). No one has died from covid. I’m pretty sure no one is in ICU. Life is pretty good in the hermit kingdom.

Being a WA resident and unable to return your own state / home / job / family is not normal.

Jester64 10th Jan 2022 02:21


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167809)
Life is normal here thanks. Very few restrictions. ( basically none). No one has died from covid. I’m pretty sure no one is in ICU. Life is pretty good in the hermit kingdom.

That definition of normal is unsustainable and you know it, McGowan knows it and the federal government knows it. It’s why WA is opening in FEB.

SOPS 10th Jan 2022 02:32


Originally Posted by Jester64 (Post 11167815)
That definition of normal is unsustainable and you know it, McGowan knows it and the federal government knows it. It’s why WA is opening in FEB.

I don’t think Mark McGowan as given a flying Fxxk what the Federal Government thinks anytime in the last 2 years. And if you think what is going on right now in the Eastern States is sustainable…. Enjoy.

Jester64 10th Jan 2022 02:36


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167818)
I don’t think Mark McGowan as given a flying Fxxk what the Federal Government thinks anytime in the last 2 years. And if you think what is going on right now in the Eastern States is sustainable…. Enjoy.

I didn’t say he did give a f*ck what the feds thought…but he has come out and said that the border needs to open at some point and that the virus will come in and that WA will need to live with it, but it wouldn’t be happening until very high levels of vaccination are achieved. Well now they are…

With regards to your previous post, who’s now dying over east? It’s the unvaccinated, the terminally ill, the extreme elderly (who if the vaccine doesn’t stop them dying from covid, than they were not going to live much longer anyway) and the extremely unlucky ones. It’s not much different to a bad flu season, a time where you and every other person who is calling for the WA border to remain closed were happy to enjoy exercising freedom of movement to cross state borders despite a virus killing over 1,200 per year. You didn’t give a shit back then, now all of a sudden your circumstances have changed so you give a shit now? You piss me off SOPS, me me me me

What’s happening over east is not sustainable, but it is being managed, and it’s only going to be temporary.

dr dre 10th Jan 2022 03:33


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11167818)
I don’t think Mark McGowan as given a flying Fxxk what the Federal Government thinks anytime in the last 2 years. And if you think what is going on right now in the Eastern States is sustainable…. Enjoy.

Well it's coming to WA. Comments from the Chief Health Officer over the weekend:


Dr Robertson said waiting to open the border until after other states' infection rates peaked wouldn't make a difference.

"[Post-peak] they'll still have large numbers of cases within their community, so the actual total cases in the community will still be widespread," he said.
He doesn't consider high case numbers in the east a reason for delaying reopening.

Similar comments from McGowan:


When announcing the date on Monday Mr McGowan said it was “locked in” barring “some unforeseen emergency or catastrophe which we can’t predict”.

Asked whether he would consider 25,000 daily cases in NSW a catastrophe, Mr McGowan said no.

Patients being prepared for at home treatment rather than in hospital treatment.

From the Government site:


Western Australia will embark on its Safe Transition Plan as announced last month from 12:01am on Saturday 5 February, 2022.

The locked-in transition date
It's coming. 25 days, 11 hours and 28 minutes until the "Hermit Kingdom" is over. Best mentally prepare for it now.

De_flieger 10th Jan 2022 04:35


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11167831)
Well it's coming to WA
———
It's coming. 25 days, 11 hours and 28 minutes until the "Hermit Kingdom" is over. Best mentally prepare for it now.

It’ll never get in by road, that’s for sure. The locals will refuse to let it merge on at the freeway onramps, because the ability to merge is not the WA way, then it’ll be aggressively tailgated by a meth’d-up tradie in a lifted Ford Ranger with sand tyres until it flees. 😉

itsnotthatbloodyhard 10th Jan 2022 06:16


Originally Posted by De_flieger (Post 11167836)
It’ll never get in by road, that’s for sure. The locals will refuse to let it merge on at the freeway onramps, because the ability to merge is not the WA way, then it’ll be aggressively tailgated by a meth’d-up tradie in a lifted Ford Ranger with sand tyres until it flees. 😉

…and even if it got in, it’d take forever to get to Perth because there’ll be 2 locals driving side-by-side, 30 km/h below the limit, and ignoring all the signs that say ‘keep left unless overtaking’.

neville_nobody 10th Jan 2022 07:22


I don’t think Mark McGowan as given a flying Fxxk what the Federal Government thinks anytime in the last 2 years.
Until of course there is a Federal Labor Government when suddenly all his policies will change.

SHVC 10th Jan 2022 07:32

Now that a AO tennis player was Visa cancellation was over turned. What does this mean for Australians that were not allowed back unvaccinated who may have had it?! This guy has been an anti vaxer from the start. This country is a dead set joke.


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