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Transition Layer 12th Jan 2022 23:44

Lockdown different to border closures Griffo, think you’re getting a bit confused with the terminology.

The “island within an island” is once more and SOPS is sitting at home loving life, feeling safe! :yuk:

SOPS 13th Jan 2022 01:51


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11169207)
Lockdown different to border closures Griffo, think you’re getting a bit confused with the terminology.

The “island within an island” is once more and SOPS is sitting at home loving life, feeling safe! :yuk:

All good here.. thanks Transition 👍

goodonyamate 13th Jan 2022 02:15


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11169207)
Lockdown different to border closures Griffo, think you’re getting a bit confused with the terminology.

The “island within an island” is once more and SOPS is sitting at home loving life, feeling safe! :yuk:


for another few weeks. Then he’ll be on here whinging about ‘the east’ and how selfish we all are. WA is lining up to be the biggest basket case of all.

Ex FSO GRIFFO 13th Jan 2022 02:54

Hey Mr. TL,

I didn't say WA was 'in lockdown'.......What I did say was that if you want more details, then 'Google WA Lockdown news'......THAT is the heading I used to get to the site, THAT is all.... (Lurve your current address by the way...)
Aussies from other states can still get here - SUBJECT TO the various conditions / quarantine / testing.
"Under the 'extreme risk' category, the list of approved travellers is significantly reduced, and includes.......It then goes on

Hey Mr G.,
Re 'WA is lining up to be the biggest basket case of all'....
You might well be correct.

A 'popular' opinion over here is that the WA Gummint has allowed the WA Health System to deteriorate so far, that it is now incapable of being able to address / accommodate the number of patients expected should this virus 'get out of hand'.
Our hospitals simply could not cope. We don't have sufficient Nursing Staff either. Ambulance 'ramping' is at an all time high without the virus....
That is a 'popular' opinion.
Cheers

Swanrider 13th Jan 2022 08:19

"...a popular opinion"... really :ugh: Are you serious?
What rock have you been hiding under not to see the bleeding obvious for the past three years in Perth?
It's cold hard FACT, not opinion and I see it daily, first hand! Multiple ambulances lined up outside the hospitals with sick pax waiting on board, even before the day has started.
It's no joke when multiple Hospitals call their Code Blue or Yellows even without any Covid issues.
A huge red flag indicating blatant long-term neglect, underfunding and mismanagement by the megalomaniac "Sneakers" McClown Govt, who is sitting a huge pile of gold coins. "Emporer with no clothes..."?
His neglect of the aviation industry there is the same.
TripleM Perth Tuesday morning talk back with Baz Zemplas had 4 out of the 5 callers saying open the border immediately, as it's killed businesses, families, Ag & crops (the list goes on).
Put simply, WA with just 2.4 million people is not self-sustaining. It requires industry, labour, cash & goods from interstate and overseas for the whole economy to survive. The last two years it's only been treading water, with only the public sector (Govt/Councils etc) being happy as Larry with their regular untouched incomes. It's been a private sector pandemic as many a business has shut shop for good. Just look around the city at all the vacant shops for lease. Sure, nowhere near as bad as Melbourne but still the same effect.
A wise man mentioned to me last week that this "pandemic" is not one about covid now but one about people's IQ. :D

Ex FSO GRIFFO 13th Jan 2022 09:22

All of 'that' is a 'popular opinion' Mr S

I have neither the resources nor the time to answer your emotive response - I would rather just deal with the facts.
Nor am I able to actually CHANGE any of the above.

The facts ARE, as you so elequently describe.....

Unfortunately, I am NOT able to actually CHANGE any of the above, being just ONE of 'the great unwashed'.

I have pointed out that the hospitals are 'up to their armpits' - and YOU have verified that.

I did not even venture into the 'economics' of WA food supplies being supported by the 'Eastern States', as those various companies have chosen, a looong time ago, to close processing facilities in WA to 'SAVE $'s', and increase their profit margins.
Just the same as various 'industries' purchasing everything from clothing to building supplies etc etc from....CHINA??
NOT under my CONTROL
In MY 'younger days', almost EVERYTHING was 'Made in Australia'. But it cost.......That means it was 'cheaper' to import 'stuff' from 'overseas'.
Unfortunately, ALL of those 'domestic factories' have CLOSED. You didn't work in the Motor Vehicle industry by any chance??
No difference.
Please feel free to 'vent ya spleen' on them.
Happy New Year.

Perhaps you can assist in this matter...???

I'll leave YOU to 'read between the lines'......
Ta Ta



Derfred 13th Jan 2022 09:31

If a public hospital doesn’t have ambulances ramped and an 18 month waiting list for surgery, it is considered “over-resourced”.

A bit like an airline - if it’s not constantly running 40 minutes late then the turnaround times are too generous and the aircraft are “under-utilised”.

Governments like to waste money on everything other than what is actually important to the population - like education, health, and a viable manufacturing industry.

Obviously a lack of quality health-care staff wouldn’t have anything to do with pay and conditions, would it?

Shot Nancy 13th Jan 2022 09:32

Dear SR and EFSOG,
I see you guys as being in agreement,
Love Shot.

SOPS 13th Jan 2022 12:00

In my younger days… things were made in Australia or England. My mother ( now 86) before I was born, worked at a company that made boxes to put ( amongst other things) .. washing machines. And guess what???… it was next door to the Simpson washing machine factory in Sydney.

Derfred 13th Jan 2022 14:10

And our Govt, faced with the prospect of spending maybe $1B/year for maintaining an automotive manufacturing industry in the country, chose to spend $100B during covid just to try to keep the economy ticking. I’d rather my son get an apprenticeship at Holden.

cessnapete 13th Jan 2022 16:12


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11169164)
Griffo how can “they” pull the curtain down anymore? Locked out to all other jurisdictions with a 14 day quarantine.



Omicron proving a non event to the fully vaccinated here in UK. Mandatory isolation being cut to 5 days next week.

Icarus2001 13th Jan 2022 22:03

Yes but our media keep up their tactic of focussing on total case numbers. Funny they never mention each day how many people have fully recovered from their infection. I guess that 98.5% of people infected is not newsworthy.
As long as they keep playing that game then people will be fearful, which is their aim. People are missing the point, we will all get it.

SOPS I see Facebook groups with a petition calling for McGowan to keep the border closed in WA until it is “safe” to open. When do you think that will be? If the rest of the country has Covid in varying levels then WA could never open up.

dr dre 13th Jan 2022 23:03


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11169682)
SOPS I see Facebook groups with a petition calling for McGowan to keep the border closed in WA until it is “safe” to open. When do you think that will be? If the rest of the country has Covid in varying levels then WA could never open up.

Does it relate to this change.org petition? In that case don't worry, it only has 28,000 signatures, or 1% of the state's population. The one calling for borders to remain closed in vaccine free 2020 attracted 10x as much support. And apart from a few extremist epidemiologists there's no one of substance backing this petition, even the AMA toned down their calls for borders remaining closed recently. The Chambers of Minerals and Energy, and Commerce and Industry support reopening and that's pretty much all that matters.

And if governments did what every petition called for them to do then we'd have no "religious discrimination" bill about to be enacted and we'd have a Royal Commission into Murdoch media.

Chad Gates 13th Jan 2022 23:29

Even Basil is saying we must open up now. There doesn’t seem to be any movement from MM on the date. Not yet anyway. Remember everyone thought Bill Shorten would be PM.

Chronic Snoozer 14th Jan 2022 01:40


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11169703)
Does it relate to this change.org petition? In that case don't worry, it only has 28,000 signatures, or 1% of the state's population. The one calling for borders to remain closed in vaccine free 2020 attracted 10x as much support. And apart from a few extremist epidemiologists there's no one of substance backing this petition, even the AMA toned down their calls for borders remaining closed recently. The Chambers of Minerals and Energy, and Commerce and Industry support reopening and that's pretty much all that matters.

And if governments did what every petition called for them to do then we'd have no "religious discrimination" bill about to be enacted and we'd have a Royal Commission into Murdoch media.

To be fair there are some good arguments in that petition. The other petition is over a year old so it stands to reason it has more signatures and was done at a time when there wasn't widespread vaccination, so hardly apples and apples. I expect the AMA and industry are all still keeping their powder dry to see what happens in the next fortnight.

WingNut60 14th Jan 2022 02:44


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11130845)
Might want to be careful as it could implode on him when WA folk see everyone else going to Bali but they are still locked in. Since there is no State election due the voters may take it out on the Federal Labor.


SMART TRAVELLER - INDONESIA BULLETIN You must meet COVID-19 testing requirements and quarantine on arrival at a hotel for 7 days. If you test positive for COVID-19 on arrival or on day 6 of quarantine, you will be transferred to a hospital for treatment at your own expense. All possible and confirmed cases of the COVID-19 Omicron variant, including close contacts such as accompanying family members, must then isolate for 10 days at a hospital. This may be at significant personal expense. Contact your travel provider for up-to-date details.
It's a wonder there is any Covid in NSW..... what with everyone being on holidays up in Bali

nivsy 14th Jan 2022 03:14


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11169753)
It's a wonder there is any Covid in NSW..... what with everyone being on holidays up in Bali

Yes absolutely... the world does not circulate around Bali....I mean who would even want to be there at the moment?

SOPS 14th Jan 2022 03:22

Out of interest …how many flights a day are operating from the Eastern States to Bali at the moment?

Jester64 14th Jan 2022 04:40


Originally Posted by nivsy (Post 11169754)
Yes absolutely... the world does not circulate around Bali....I mean who would even want to be there at the moment?

Why would someone not want to be in Bali at this current time?

chookcooker 14th Jan 2022 05:07


Originally Posted by Jester64 (Post 11169769)
Why would someone not want to be in Bali at this current time?

you might catch a cold


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