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DirectAnywhere 13th Aug 2021 07:44


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11094364)
Daniel Andrews said today he would have thought it wasnt too hard for airlines to check permits of people flying from nsw to other destinations & i must say i agree with him,isnt it in the interests of the airlines to stop people flying to places they shouldnt be going to & help stop the spread which ultimately will get other borders & states open to each other.

That's true to a point, but the couple that flew in to Melbourne from Sydney the other day did so on Green Zone permits ie. they didn't tell the truth. Airlines and their staff have no capacity or authority to check people's stories. Someone lies on their application, turns up with a green zone or exempt worker permit, how are airlines possibly supposed to check this?

Also, each state has different entry and permit requirements and different software systems, GTG passes, SAPol passes, Q passes, check-in apps, QR codes etc. and the requirements change so frequently that they are virtually impossible to keep up with. Again, there is a strong argument for a nationally consistent approach with national hotspot definitions and permit requirements - but if we'd been able to achieve any national consensus on anything we probably wouldn't need any such systems, but I digress.

It's possibly another layer in the defence to some extent, but don't expect it to be a panacea. Checks would still need to be performed on arrival at whatever the destination may be.

ruprecht 13th Aug 2021 08:16


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11094364)
That is a real possibility,the borders into every other state from nsw are going to be as tightly controlled as possible & by doing that it will hopefully enable most of the other states to open up to each other.
Daniel Andrews said today he would have thought it wasnt too hard for airlines to check permits of people flying from nsw to other destinations & i must say i agree with him,isnt it in the interests of the airlines to stop people flying to places they shouldnt be going to & help stop the spread which ultimately will get other borders & states open to each other.

The airlines arenít there to police every state premierís thought bubble.

turbantime 13th Aug 2021 08:26


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11094397)
The airlines arenít there to police every state premierís thought bubble.

Thereís not even a requirement to do an ID check for domestic travel, and they want them to check for correct passes? As someone else pointed out, how does airline staff verify the pass holders havenít lied?

PoppaJo 13th Aug 2021 08:40


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11094397)
The airlines arenít there to police every state premierís thought bubble.

Actually he was pretty brutal towards the airlines in the presser, what did he say, taxpayers have been bailing out the airlines as such, so time for them to start doing something for us...

Perhaps it would just be easier to scrap Melbourne to Sydney flights at the moment all together. I recall last year only one flight a day between the pair at its worst.

Turnleft080 13th Aug 2021 08:53


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11094413)
Actually he was pretty brutal towards the airlines in the presser, what did he say, taxpayers have been bailing out the airlines as such, so time for them to start doing something for us...

Perhaps it would just be easier to scrap Melbourne to Sydney flights at the moment all together. I recall last year only one flight a day between the pair at its worst.

Don't be surprised. That's standard from Dan. He doesn't understand business. He has never run a business. For him to talk about airline business is out
of his depth. He is a money counter, bean counter, he only knows politics and how to win elections. Westgate tunnel project will cost
us another 3.3 billion and no finish date.

ruprecht 13th Aug 2021 10:02


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11094413)
Actually he was pretty brutal towards the airlines in the presser, what did he say, taxpayers have been bailing out the airlines as such, so time for them to start doing something for us...

Sounds like heís doubling down on a stupid thought bubble and trying to shift the blame.

ďI want a hard border but Iím not prepared to police a hard borderĒ.

unobtanium 13th Aug 2021 10:30


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11094422)
Westgate tunnel project will cost
us another 3.3 billion and no finish date.

The CFMEU will guarantee that and more, why stop the gold plated gravy train for there members? They certainly have the country by its balls. Maybe airline unions could learn a thing or two.

Ladloy 13th Aug 2021 19:43


Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 11094486)
The CFMEU will guarantee that and more, why stop the gold plated gravy train for there members? They certainly have the country by its balls. Maybe airline unions could learn a thing or two.

Wait until you learn about gas and coal lobbying!

chookcooker 13th Aug 2021 22:52


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11094397)
The airlines arenít there to police every state premierís thought bubble.

The vast majority of interstate travel this past 18 months for me has involved different police/DHS officers giving different instructions.
I saw a captain told to isolate for 14 days and the FO let go free.
Captain blew up and spoke to a supervisor from DHS who said he was fine to go.
and thatís officials only policing their own state rules.
How a 20 year old at check in is supposed to understand the daily evolving rules for the 8 other state/territories and police them is patently ridiculous.

43Inches 13th Aug 2021 23:00


How a 20 year old at check in is supposed to understand the daily evolving rules for the 8 other state/territories and police them is patently ridiculous.
They don't interpret the rules at all, the company mandates all passengers have ID checked prior to boarding, the check in officer just goes through the list of pre-boarding items that have to be checked for. Same time they are asking if you are carrying dangerous goods, physically assessing passengers for dangers, such as being intoxicated, aggressive behavior, etc, etc. The airline includes it in the ticket conditions of carriage. Checking a vaccination stub is a no brain activity, they have it or not, not like trying to identify a passenger that could possibly be sneaking a dangerous good on board, be drug affected or be up to no good. If not at check in, do it at boarding.

BTW, rights do not apply to airline travel in regards to this as airlines don't count as common carriers for the purpose of public transport, so they have the right to refuse travel of anyone.

SHVC 13th Aug 2021 23:17

Emperor of the West is wanting to make mandatory vaccination for NSW to enter his promise lands. If QF cant make it mandatory without being liable for side affects, would McGoose be held liable if I'm walking around peel and drop because I have had a reaction?

StudentInDebt 13th Aug 2021 23:31


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 11094729)
The vast majority of interstate travel this past 18 months for me has involved different police/DHS officers giving different instructions.
I saw a captain told to isolate for 14 days and the FO let go free.
Captain blew up and spoke to a supervisor from DHS who said he was fine to go.
and thatís officials only policing their own state rules.
How a 20 year old at check in is supposed to understand the daily evolving rules for the 8 other state/territories and police them is patently ridiculous.

Rather than relying on airlines to interpret the mish-mash of border passes, perhaps the solution to pre-screening boarding passengers lies in the hands of the states themselves. If states want to have effective screening, they need a system similar to the TSA on flights to the USA - prior to entering the boarding area passenger passes are checked by representatives of the state of destination and fly/no-fly decisions are made there.
Iím not advocating for this sort of thing btw and I donít see it being adopted, but if you make your bed, lie in it.

compressor stall 13th Aug 2021 23:40

Last year when Vic was persona non grata everywhere, when paxing to WA, before security was a checkpoint where you had to show your G2G pass and boarding pass.

How it would affect the current arrangement where you can go through security domestically if not travelling I'm not sure, but just pointing out that there is a precedent. It wasn't run by the airlines IIRC.

galdian 14th Aug 2021 00:19

Just find it amazing no one appears to think the person travelling has any responsibility for deciding whether they should travel or not - surely that should be where the buck starts and stops?

43Inches 14th Aug 2021 00:23

Can't see the problem with airlines doing it, simple adjustment to T&C, "no jab no fly" and documents checked at check in/boarding, exactly how its done to insure revenue for the flight. Have no proof, don't fly, better have good excuse or lose ticket, no refund, this is already done for other medical conditions that are prohibited for flight without a doctors cert. Cost to airline, Nada, as its already done for revenue assurance. In fact there's actual cost benefit to the airline as preventing spread of communicable diseases will save the company in sick leave costs overall.

Cost of setting up TSA style security at state/fed cost, $5-$20 per passenger head tax or from public tax revenue of similar amount.

What would I prefer? Pretty sure the answers obviously the free of cost option.

Capn Rex Havoc 14th Aug 2021 00:39

No point to having a vaccination passport. Israel, UK and Iceland, are reporting that Delta is spreading despite being vaccinated. The virus will spread whether you travel vaccinated or not.


PoppaJo 14th Aug 2021 01:06

Holy Shit

When exactly is the peak of this thing?

43Inches 14th Aug 2021 01:11


Holy Shit

When exactly is the peak of this thing?
The more you let a virus rip through communities the more chance it evolves/mutates into something worse. This is the real danger of letting things go...

That being said the death rate is much lower in the vaccinated currently so infection rate is not the prime concern there.

KRviator 14th Aug 2021 01:22

466 today. Reminds me of the old NSW numberplates: NSW - The First State!

What I find amusing, but moreso concerning, is the Armidale lockdown being extended by a week, despite there being zero cases detected up there since that Newcastle bird toured the area. But, as usual, it's "based on the health advice"


Armidale lockdown to extend for an extra seven days despite no casesThe Premier has announced an extension of the Armidale lockdown. She said this was due to health advice, despite no cases.

There were 26 new cases in Dubbo and surrounding areas announced. There were 16 new cases on the Hunter and New England region. Source
By that token, shouldn't Perth still be locked down? I mean, they had a positive case a while back. And Cairns too. When the health advice is consistent advice across the various CHO's and Premiers, people might start taking it seriously. But they can't get their stories straight, and that makes a mockery of the entire process.

Angle of Attack 14th Aug 2021 01:39

I’m no expert but it will peak when things get really serious , hospitals become over capacity and deaths spike massively.
Probably 3-4000 cases a day is my guess.


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