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Maggie Island 19th Sep 2021 20:25


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11113438)
Old Mate out west just went into cardiac arrest.

Hopefully he hasn’t been keeping an eye on the Iron ore price recently!

White Knight 19th Sep 2021 20:58

Hey SHVC. Don’t waste breath on SOPS and the ‘tin-foil hat’ nonsense he comes out with; he alluded to being a tin-foil hat wearer in the ME forums a couple of days ago. I think that also means ‘hiding under rocks’ and ‘being scared of life’…

Can’t believe the nonsense still coming out of Oz over EIGHTEEN months after this pandemic started!

Bend alot 19th Sep 2021 21:23


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 11113348)
Singapore is now running at about 1000 new cases a day with 900 currently in hospital of which 100 are serious and 18 in the ICU.

However 98% of cases have no or mild symptoms now that 82% of the population are vaccinated. Most of those seriously ill are unvaccinated and over 60 with underlying health conditions.

Home recovery is now the default for vaccinated people up to the age of 69 who test positive.

Case numbers have risen dramatically but serious cases have remained at a manageable level and the ICUs are at about 10% capacity with COVID patents.

For those under 60, fully vaccinated, without major health issues, the risk is very minimal.

Since the start Australia has had 1,162 deaths.
Deaths below 50 years old = 19 male and 5 female, that is a total of 24 deaths under 50.
That just over doubles at below 60 to a total of 61 deaths.

KRviator 19th Sep 2021 23:14


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11113516)
We love our life here. Hope we can keep the pox out as long as possible as long as the Iron Ore price stays above $100 a tonne. The Golden Girl seems happy to spread it all over Australia. And ScoMo.. who I used to vote for. Right now.. we no longer need a Federal Government ( ScoMo is the PM for NSW)…

Fixed your quote for you.

Let's see how receptive the WA population is to closed borders when your State Daddy runs a budget with a few billion deficit instead of riding on the coat-tails of the major miner's...Because, let's face it, the reason, the only reason WA was able to produce a budget surplus, was the iron ore boom. It wasn't good management so much as good luck - or else your State Daddy and his Government would have been producing a surplus every year for the past 4 they were in Government, without increasing Government debt in years to come, you'd have to think.... To quote from that kids movie Monsters Inc, "Your luck will run out, eventually..."

Qwark 19th Sep 2021 23:27


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11113691)
Fixed your quote for you.

Let's see how receptive the WA population is to closed borders when your State Daddy runs a budget with a few billion deficit instead of riding on the coat-tails of the major miner's...Because, let's face it, the reason, the only reason WA was able to produce a budget surplus, was the iron ore boom. It wasn't good management so much as good luck - or else your State Daddy and his Government would have been producing a surplus every year for the past 4 they were in Government, without increasing Government debt in years to come, you'd have to think.... To quote from that kids movie Monsters Inc, "Your luck will run out, eventually..."

When was that WA vote for independence again? Maybe the push for independence will go conveniently quite !!!

Turnleft080 20th Sep 2021 03:09


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11113379)
Vic modelling on the roadmap shows peak of 4500 daily cases and 2200 deaths by January. Imagine delta with no vaccines.

Hold that thought. Lets go back to April 2020, when Dan said we will spend 1.3m in the coming months to set up 4000 ICU beds extra PPE etc. Well, if he kept his word, never mind the present lockdown their would not of been a lockdown this year. That was the plan even without a vaccine back then. With those beds in place today, absolute zero reasons to be in lockdown. As it stands, their is about 500 ICU beds at the moment. That is the biggest failure, never mind vaccine roll out.

SHVC 20th Sep 2021 04:41

Vic has a road map now, QLD have an idea about when to open their border today now also. If it was not bad enough the federal government had an arbitrary 80% vaccination rate QLD want 90%. QLD currently only 59.3% first dose one could guess it would be well into 2022 before that 90% number is reached, say good by to the xmas rush for all the airlines only so many SY-ML and FiJi flights you can do.

The silver lining in NSW with 81% first dose infection rates have have stabilized over the last two weeks and have even started to indicate a decrease with today being the first time below 1000 with testing rates still high (124650 today) Victoria is on the increase, but, with their increase in vaccination should see the same trend as NSW. This should allow NSW and VIC to be able travel further abroad to other countries for xmas and even Easter.

ScepticalOptomist 20th Sep 2021 05:06


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11113774)
…QLD currently only 59.3% first dose one could guess it would be well into 2022 before that 90% number is reached…

Actually QLD will hit 90% double vaccinated for 16yrs+ about the 20th December.

https://m.covidbaseau.com/vaccinations/

SHVC 20th Sep 2021 05:46

Oh, that’s just a forecast. QLD will slow down and struggle to get near 80%.

dr dre 20th Sep 2021 06:37


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11113774)
Vic has a road map now, QLD have an idea about when to open their border today now also. If it was not bad enough the federal government had an arbitrary 80% vaccination rate QLD want 90%.

You got a confirmed source for that, because all I can see is this article from the Daily Mail which, if you look past the factual errors and spelling mistakes, uses phrases like “is set to”, “is understood”, “could” (ie no firm information) and quotes no sources.


SHVC 20th Sep 2021 07:26

90% It has been on the news all afternoon.

DirectAnywhere 20th Sep 2021 07:49

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....f674e231%3famp

Thats only an hour old. Palaszczuk told reporters Jeanette Young would like to see up to 90% but looks like she has pushed back on it and won’t be waiting until 90% to reopen. Pretty fair chance QLD would never get to 90% anyway if you’ve got Palmer, Christensen and Kelly running around.

dr dre 20th Sep 2021 07:50


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11113825)
90% It has been on the news all afternoon.

On Sky “News”, with the usual “is expected to”, “is said to be” and “is set to” with no confirmed quotes or plans, in an article from Peter Gleeson, who’s pretty dumb, even for a Sky “News” hack.

It would be good if whoever’s staffing the various Murdoch entities to talk to each other because their other publication, news.com.au is carrying the quotes of the Premier’s spokesperson denying that article:

Queensland government rejects reports state will stay closed until 90 per cent vaccine coverage





krismiler 20th Sep 2021 08:05

In Singapore, no one fully vaccinated and below 70 years old has died or been in the ICU. Only 0.38% of fully vaccinated patients in their 70s has been in the ICU or died, this rate is actually lower than for unvaccinated people in their 30s which is 0.84%.

Vaccination rates were going up at about 1% per day but tailed off quite sharply after 80% coverage was reached.

A 90% rate will take a very long time to achieve and isn’t really a practical aim before opening up in Australia.

ScepticalOptomist 20th Sep 2021 21:29


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11113825)
90% It has been on the news all afternoon.

Yeah except there wasn’t a firm figure given, but a “maybe” waffle answer. She will do what the polling and public pressure dictate. She’s a true politician in all the worst ways.

C441 20th Sep 2021 21:31


Thats only an hour old. Palaszczuk told reporters Jeanette Young would like to see up to 90% but looks like she has pushed back on it and won’t be waiting until 90% to reopen.
It seems that Jeanette's advice is not so desirable when it doesn't meet the political narrative. Might be time for her to assume her Governor's duties.

DirectAnywhere 21st Sep 2021 05:00


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 11114205)
It seems that Jeanette's advice is not so desirable when it doesn't meet the political narrative. Might be time for her to assume her Governor's duties.

Looks like she might have backflipped on the backflip though. Non-committal today when asked about the 90% figure. Avoided giving a number, waiting for Doherty modelling to national cabinet in a fortnight. Meanwhile the tourism industry is screaming for certainty. Muppet.

About 12 mins in if you can bear to watch it.


Direct quote from the Qld Premier, 21/9/21


“National Cabinet is working on a national plan. We are waiting for further information to come from the Doherty Modelling to National Cabinet in a fortnight’s time,” she said.


Icarus2001 21st Sep 2021 05:46

She claims NATIONAL PLAN now after doing her own thing, just like McClown. Muppets.

dr dre 21st Sep 2021 10:16

I wonder if most people have read the “National Roadmap”.

It’s a one page PDF.

National Plan to transition Australia’s National COVID-19 Response

Phase C at 80%:

Measures may include:

Maximise vaccination coverage

Minimum ongoing baseline restrictions,
adjusted to minimise cases without lockdowns

Highly targeted lockdowns only

Continue vaccine booster programme;

Exempt vaccinated residents from all domestic restrictions;

Abolish caps on returning vaccinated Australians;

Allow increased capped entry of student, economic, and humanitarian visa holders;

Lift all restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians;

Extend travel bubble for unrestricted travel to new candidate countries (Singapore, Pacific)

Gradual reopening of inward and outward international travel with safe countries and proportionate quarantine and reduced requirements for fully vaccinated inbound travellers
.

There’s actually nothing in concrete about interstate borders. It is up to individual jurisdictions, like the NT which has said they want more than 80% or Tasmania which has said they’re aiming for 90%.

The point about “exemption of vaccinated residents domestic restrictions” could be interpreted to mean interstate travel for vaccinated residents, but it’s a vague sentence.

The National Roadmap is actually quite lacking in specific detail. Even lockdowns are only used in a “highly targeted” manner, but leaving questions about how that is defined.

SHVC 21st Sep 2021 10:38

Ahh yes the road map!! Filled with arbitrary numbers and rubbish ideas no where else seems to have such a plan, Australia can do anything bettter. Meanwhile in ML a rioter filled a bottle with urine and hurled it at a journalist our country is no better than any 3rd world $hit hole at the moment. These governments are making sure they send us to economic ruin also. 2022 is shaping up to be one hell of a ride.


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