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WingNut60 2nd Jan 2022 23:16


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11164239)
One for you SOPS, as alluded to in my post.
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...8b57fd0e159fdb

I am sure that there is an element of truth in this however I'd like to see some verified numbers rather than generalisations.

"Up to half" is like the current ad on TV that says "up to 100% ..........."
Both actually mean "some" unless there are real numbers to back the claim.
Mr Hazzard has an agenda to push.

MickG0105 2nd Jan 2022 23:40


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11164170)
They don't publish the data anymore as highlighting it causes more instances and copycats. Back a number of years ago KHL was going through some issues of needing more funding but some sources were saying it had as much as 1 in 3 calls were hoaxes. Point that came out was while there are a lot of crank calls, 2/3rds or more of calls were serious and real, meaning they do provide an essential first point of call for real sufferers.

Again as I said earlier these lines provide an essential service, but going off call rates to them without actual confirmation data that all cases are real is difficult to relate. I can imagine the lockdowns also were conducive to a lot of bored kids and mental cases willing to flood these lines with mess for cheap kicks. With 000 the hoaxes are logged with severe penalties, yet they still occur at regular intervals, the data from Ambulance and Police attendance to a scene or event is well documented so reliable information to gather rates from.

You have to also remember that KHL 'Duty of care interventions' are just the information being passed onto Ambulance and Police for further investigation and possible attendance, then it will obviously be added to those services data.

Based on fairly extensive experience in that service sector I know that "hoax" calls are vanishly rare. "Unwelcome calls", a category that includes hoax calls together with abusive calls, make up less than 3 percent of calls taken. That is pretty consistent across all services.

PoppaJo 2nd Jan 2022 23:45

Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week
Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$

Torukmacto 2nd Jan 2022 23:58


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11164258)
Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week
Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$

It would be frustrating to have got omnicron and not know due no test kit . I guess if people feel crook they could assume they have it and get info out on social media but itís best to know for sure to avoid embarrassment of posting with just the flu .

WingNut60 3rd Jan 2022 00:08

Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.)

Perhaps the National Cabinet could consider implementing standardised reporting at their next meeting.

43Inches 3rd Jan 2022 00:35


Based on fairly extensive experience in that service sector I know that "hoax" calls are vanishly rare. "Unwelcome calls", a category that includes hoax calls together with abusive calls, make up less than 3 percent of calls taken. That is pretty consistent across all services.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...-call/10494444

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c095cab2a59ad5

https://www.9news.com.au/national/tr...f-d764d333d6dc

For 000 pranks are up to about 10% of calls on average for emergency services and 30% on average are nuisance, non emergencies, accidental, hang-ups and butt dials etc.

Most of the helplines/prevention lines don't disclose rates of hoaxes anymore as they are funded on calls taken. Since the big blow up that happened 20 years ago in Victoria with KHL and such I'm pretty sure they keep the figures close to home. As I said earlier when it went to ask for further funding from the then Vic gov numbers as high as 1 in 3 nuisance calls was banded around. A lot of teens falsely reporting their mates for fun, pretending to be sick 5 year olds etc, they are out there. Maybe kids have grown up in the 2020s, less pranks and stupidity, sure sounds like it with 5 years olds contemplating suicide, I had no idea what being alive actually was at that age, let alone wanting to end it all.


Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.)
Victoria still has a large chunk of left over delta cases. As far as case differences, I think Melbournians are still sticking to masks and stuff, so maybe that's making a difference or, all the Victorians with it are adding to NSW and QLD numbers while on holiday.

Jester64 3rd Jan 2022 00:46

Perfect examples of sensationalised news articles, just as you described previously : )

43Inches 3rd Jan 2022 00:50

Got me, but that sort of data is just hard to find. And I'm not in the mood for some deep mining at the moment. I also noted that a lot of negative press from the KHL turmoils years ago have been removed from the net.

Jester64 3rd Jan 2022 00:51

All good 👍🏻

MickG0105 3rd Jan 2022 01:16


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11164274)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...-call/10494444

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c095cab2a59ad5

https://www.9news.com.au/national/tr...f-d764d333d6dc

For 000 pranks are up to about 10% of calls on average for emergency services and 30% on average are nuisance, non emergencies, accidental, hang-ups and butt dials etc.

We're not talking about 000, are we? We were talking about crisis support services such as Kids Helpline, Beyond Blue and the like. The service that I have been with for 12 years tracks unwelcome calls, such as hoax calls, closely. A decade ago the unwelcome call rate hovered around 5 percent; it's now less than 3 percent. And that's for all unwelcome calls - the vast majority of those are abusive or "explicit" calls.


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11164280)
... I also noted that a lot of negative press from the KHL turmoils years ago have been removed from the net.

What?! You think that Kids Helpline have the chops to expunge records from the internet?!
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43Inches 3rd Jan 2022 05:23


What?! You think that Kids Helpline have the chops to expunge records from the internet?!
​​​
Kids Help Line, aka Yourtown aka Boystown aka De La Salle brothers aka Catholic church Rome. Just because they take public funding and donations does not mean they are short of legal support or don't know how to suppress information.

WhisprSYD 4th Jan 2022 00:51


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11164267)
Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.)

Perhaps the National Cabinet could consider implementing standardised reporting at their next meeting.

Delta.

Info released today indicated 74% of those in ICU in NSW are Delta, so there is still a bit of it around.
Up until a week or so ago Iíd suggest most of the Victorian cases numbers were still from their Delta outbreak. Thatís obviously flipped this week with their positive case rate catching NSWís

blubak 4th Jan 2022 05:50


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11164258)
Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week
Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$

Morrison is currently copping a charge of $120 per pcr test by the processing labs but he says he cant afford to provide rat tests. I would have thought the rats were a much cheaper alternative even at $50 for 5.

SOPS 6th Jan 2022 04:33

This is different. Scott said lockdown were a thing of the past. So the NT is having a ďlockoutĒ instead. If your not vaccinated you canít leave home.

Icarus2001 6th Jan 2022 06:20


This is different. Scott said lockdown were a thing of the past. So the NT is having a “lockout” instead. If your not vaccinated you can’t leave home.
Now come on Big G, that is not quite correct. There are THREE reasons to leave home allowed, going to work is not one of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...nner/100741026

Anyway you have not answered my previous question....What would YOU do about the WA border?

SOPS 6th Jan 2022 06:54


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11165953)
Now come on Big G, that is not quite correct. There are THREE reasons to leave home allowed, going to work is not one of them.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...nner/100741026

Anyway you have not answered my previous question....What would YOU do about the WA border?

Well, at the moment, looking at what is happening in the Eastern States, I would leave the border as it is. Mainly because I know the WA hospital system is already close to breaking point. ( and you are correct, there are three reasons to leave home in the NT, if your not vaccinated).

Edit… for what it’s worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But that’s only his opinion.

Potsie Weber 6th Jan 2022 07:59


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11165970)
Well, at the moment, looking at what is happening in the Eastern States, I would leave the border as it is. Mainly because I know the WA hospital system is already close to breaking point. ( and you are correct, there are three reasons to leave home in the NT, if your not vaccinated).

Edit… for what it’s worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But that’s only his opinion.

If WA doesn’t open sometime within the next couple of months, then when do they? WA has had 2yrs of time and loads of money to prepare for living with COVID, it seems they have invested little of either in anything apart from keeping borders shut. The experts are saying Omicron will likely peak within the next week or so for eastern states, so WA opening up sometime in February seems to be not such a bad idea. If WA doesn’t open within next couple of months, it will likely have to stay shut until after winter to avoid a worse situation. By then the next variant will be on the rise and the merry-go-round continues.

Icarus2001 6th Jan 2022 08:41

Thanks for the answer SOPS but the other question is when would you open?

If not Feb then when?

Difficult I know but ambulance ramping has been going in on WA for YEARS.

Perhaps a five billion dollar surplus is less important than a good hospital system?

Jester64 6th Jan 2022 08:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11165970)
Well, at the moment, looking at what is happening in the Eastern States, I would leave the border as it is. Mainly because I know the WA hospital system is already close to breaking point. ( and you are correct, there are three reasons to leave home in the NT, if your not vaccinated).

EditÖ for what itís worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But thatís only his opinion.

The WA health system has been at breaking point for years, yet life still went on without restrictions.

The number of people on ventilators nation-wide is still not even in triple digits, and we have anywhere from 400,000 to 4,000,000 active cases (the true case count will never be known).

40 odd people die every day in WA. Covid may see this increase to 42 at maximum? just by looking at the current case fatality rate for Australia.

There is always going to be a whinge from AMA, as doctors and nurses might not be able to take leave when they want it, or may be forced into overtime in 2022. Sound familiar??

What exactly is happening over east? And donít tell me case numbers because thatís irrelevant now. The number of ICU patients are actually less now than what they were months ago.

Icarus2001 6th Jan 2022 11:31

You know it would be interesting if every time the media mentioned the AMA they said it like this…..

“ The doctors official the union, the AMA says that….”

We as a pilot group need to learn a great deal from them.


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