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goodonyamate 29th Dec 2021 20:37


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11162223)
QF1 is still showing as operating 27JAN


I also checked a number of dates, which showed flights still operating. They are definitely cutting the frequency, however I dont think stopping altogether. I thought maybe 3 days a week or something. Not great for the crew now every port is classed as a D

Chris2303 29th Dec 2021 21:39


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11162236)
I thought maybe 3 days a week or something.

And in fact that's what they announced recently

Transition Layer 30th Dec 2021 06:44


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11162236)
I also checked a number of dates, which showed flights still operating. They are definitely cutting the frequency, however I dont think stopping altogether. I thought maybe 3 days a week or something. Not great for the crew now every port is classed as a D

The fairly significant change to Tier D for all ports has been nicely slipped into the manual without any explanation, while the managers enjoy their Christmas break. Classic Qantas :rolleyes:

aussieflyboy 30th Dec 2021 09:21

Are Qantas and Virgin paying for the RAT kits for domestic staff overnighting at different ports?

compressor stall 30th Dec 2021 11:24

More importantly it sounds like close contacts causing a whole aircraft to isolate is a thing of the past (except WA). That’s got to give a lot of hope to the travel industry.

SOPS 30th Dec 2021 11:32


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 11162471)
More importantly it sounds like close contacts causing a whole aircraft to isolate is a thing of the past (except WA). That’s got to give a lot of hope to the travel industry.

Except… when a whole lot of people are sick.. because of these “wonderful” new laws … who will be on the aircraft and going on holidays ?

Icarus2001 30th Dec 2021 11:37


Except… when a whole lot of people are sick.. because of these “wonderful” new laws … who will be on the aircraft and going on holidays ?
Most people will have a cold for about a week. I know two people who have had it, vaxxed, a bad cold they said.

Chad Gates 30th Dec 2021 12:06

Just for those outside WA who actually care what we think (I know, I’m certain nobody does), every mate I’ve spoken to over the festive season, all of whom are not in the aviation industry say “let it rip, it’s time”. SOPS is now very much in the minority. We are all looking forward to reconnecting.

turbantime 30th Dec 2021 12:36


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11162480)
Most people will have a cold for about a week. I know two people who have had it, vaxxed, a bad cold they said.

Friends of ours had a headache for 2-3 days with no other symptoms (fully vaxxed). The bedwetters like SOPS have had their time in the sun; time to go back to hiding in a cave.

Fonz121 30th Dec 2021 13:52


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11162343)
The fairly significant change to Tier D for all ports has been nicely slipped into the manual without any explanation, while the managers enjoy their Christmas break. Classic Qantas :rolleyes:


If this is an attempt to stem the loss of crew I think they will find it achieves the opposite. 14 day trips contained in a hotel room? No thanks.

Clare Prop 30th Dec 2021 15:11


Originally Posted by Chad Gates (Post 11162496)
Just for those outside WA who actually care what we think (I know, I’m certain nobody does), every mate I’ve spoken to over the festive season, all of whom are not in the aviation industry say “let it rip, it’s time”. SOPS is now very much in the minority. We are all looking forward to reconnecting.

Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. Because the problem now isn't the disease, it is the fact that even the triple vaxxed are going to be forced out of the workforce if they are within cooee of a coughing backpacker.

I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest.

When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness.

goodonyamate 30th Dec 2021 18:47


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11162343)
The fairly significant change to Tier D for all ports has been nicely slipped into the manual without any explanation, while the managers enjoy their Christmas break. Classic Qantas :rolleyes:


all reverting to Tier C 👍🏻


I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest.

When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness.
very much looking forward to seeing who state daddy blames when it all turns to shit over there. The picture he paints about ‘the east’ is not quite accurate. Has he spent a single dollar on extra beds in hospitals etc? It’s amusing. I’ll give Maogowan one thing, he’s better at marketing than Scotty from marketing! Come feb 5th I guess you and SOP’s will be running in circles with steam coming out of your ears. Granted, perhaps the last 2 years have been relatively ‘normal’ for you over there, I wouldn’t know, I’d rather be amongst ‘the chaos in the east’ than the plethora of meth heads I used to come across in Perth city, but all you’ve done is kick the can down the road. Bought some time to prep your health system. But all he’s done is have press conferences.

Transition Layer 30th Dec 2021 19:39


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11162613)
Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. Because the problem now isn't the disease, it is the fact that even the triple vaxxed are going to be forced out of the workforce if they are within cooee of a coughing backpacker.

I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest.

When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness.

Did you even listen to what happened today with the announcement from ScoMo? 14 days is a thing of the past.

You and SOPS should build a big house with a moat and ride this out there. The rest of us will catch it in the next few months and live happily ever after. Even your hero Lord McGowan said today that we can’t keep the borders closed forever. Finally I agree with him on something! February 5 will happen whether you like it or not.

P.S. We must move in very different circles. Friends of mine outside aviation realise the time has come to open. McGowan’s fear mongering is wearing thin.

Maggie Island 30th Dec 2021 20:27

As a West Australian I don’t trust the Emperor to honour that 5 Feb date, but do agree that he’ll have to capitulate sooner rather than later. I have a feeling the Iron Ore price won’t be particularly helpful to us this year either. Whoever wins federal government is in for an unpleasant mess.

Australopithecus 30th Dec 2021 21:00


Originally Posted by Maggie Island (Post 11162754)
As a West Australian I don’t trust the Emperor to honour that 5 Feb date, but do agree that he’ll have to capitulate sooner rather than later. I have a feeling the Iron Ore price won’t be particularly helpful to us this year either. Whoever wins federal government is in for an unpleasant mess.

Yesterday I was wondering how soon we can expect to see the GST start to creep up to 20%. My guess is within a year of the election.

Fonz121 30th Dec 2021 21:47


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11162709)
all reverting to Tier C 👍🏻


Where was this seen or heard?

morno 30th Dec 2021 22:20


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11162613)
Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. Because the problem now isn't the disease, it is the fact that even the triple vaxxed are going to be forced out of the workforce if they are within cooee of a coughing backpacker.

I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest.

When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness.

Mate it’s a lot harder to be considered a close contact anymore (WA excluded right at this very moment, but your emperor has even agreed with the new definition in principle), so the chances of ending up in 7 (what most of the country are reverting to for the vaccinated) days quarantine is much less.

How much longer would you like to hide under the bed covers for?

Tucknroll 30th Dec 2021 22:52

So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.

Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane.

rattman 30th Dec 2021 22:55


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11162800)
So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.

Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane.

Dont worry it will get better, there will be less testing so the numbers are going to go down

dr dre 30th Dec 2021 23:56


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11162800)
So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.

Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane.

NSW ICU Beds total: 1550

Estimated baseline non Covid ICU beds occupied at any one time: 387

September peak at 50% fully vaxxed: 242 (meaning all occupied ICU beds at 41% of max capacity)

Now: 69 ICU beds occupied, meaning total occupied ICU beds at 29% of capacity.

Now can you please define "breaking point" and "collapse" because that to me seems to be very far away from "collapse".

This is backed up by Prof Peter Collignon (he says NSW can get up to 2000 ICU beds if needed):

Pandemic is now 'endemic' on Australia's east coast - ABC PM


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