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SHVC 6th Sep 2021 00:25

QLD are OK with ppl hugging an sharing a meal on a plastic border over the weekend, I would of thought all those disobedient QLDnrs be sent to quarantine for touching infected NSW ppl. Australia is sinking to a new low each day with how we treat each other.

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 01:08

Just a historical point, the NSDAP (Nazi party) with Hitler as leader received 36% of total votes with a voter turn out of around 80% in the 1932 German Presidential elections. The German system did not elect outright leadership but all parties governed in coalition. Paul von Hindenburg won the Pesidential rights with 53% of the vote. Due to stability issues over the course of 1932/33 Hindenburg handed the position of Chancellor to Hitler and the NSDAP quickly moved to assume complete power and Hitler became a Dictator.

There were two Parliamentary elections that year, July and November, the NSDAP received 37% on 84% turn out in July and then 33% on 80% turnout in November.

McGowan won an election with 60% of the primary vote on 85% turnout, so it's not really a comparison to what the NSDAP did in 1932/33. Also McGowan has not sought to remove democratic process. Is he acting appropriately as the leader of WA? that's up to WA citizens to decide, they voted for him. Anyone outside WA screaming at McGowan, you might as well be screaming at Xi Jinping to change Chinese border policy.

** I just re-edited this original instead of continuing the thread on Nazi history....


Xeptu 6th Sep 2021 01:11


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11106755)
Just a historical point, the NSDAP (Nazi party) with Hitler as leader received 36% of total votes with a voter turn out of around 80% in the 1932 German parliament elections. The German system did not elect outright leadership but all parties governed in coalition. Paul von Hindenburg won the Pesidential rights with 53% of the vote. Due to stability issues over the course of 1932/33 Hindenburg handed the Presidency to Hitler and the NSDAP quickly moved to assume complete power and Hitler became a Dictator.

McGowan won an election with 60% of the primary vote on 85% turnout, so it's not really a comparison to what the NSDAP did in 1932/33. Also McGowan has not sought to remove democratic process. Is he acting appropriately as the leader of WA? that's up to WA citizens to decide, they voted for him. Anyone outside WA screaming at McGowan, you might as well be screaming at Xi Jinping to change Chinese border policy.

Actually Hindenberg died and Hitler decided not to appoint a new president, instead took the role of both President and Chancellor and became Fuhrer.

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 01:20

Sorry, yeah I used the term president, when I meant Chancellor, Hitler was in effective power from that point. He gained ultimate power when Hindenburg died and basically dissolved the dual system giving Hitler and the Nazis absolute rule with no checks. Prior to his death Hindenburg was basically just approving whatever the Nazis ask for anyway as he had pretty much no choice.

We could go on, but it has very little to do with democratically elected "State Daddy's" closing borders.

MickG0105 6th Sep 2021 01:47


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11106755)
Just a historical point, the NSDAP (Nazi party) with Hitler as leader received 36% of total votes with a voter turn out of around 80% in the 1932 German parliament elections.

37.36 percent with an 84.06 percent turnout. Source.

WingNut60 6th Sep 2021 01:51


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11106556)

No. I was talking more about stuff like this from this morning's West Australian newspaper.


Clare Prop 6th Sep 2021 02:29

Compare McGowan with HItler? Nobody is being gassed, no countries are being invaded and he won the last election in a landslide. This comparison shows a lot of ignorance. The key to his success is that he has been entirely consistant throughout. He's not perfect by any means, but he is not Hitler. He is a popular leader and doing a good job with Covid. When people start comparing others to Hitler they lose all their credibility.

The reason McGowan is so widely supported here is because we have a covid free lifestyle, while Gladys in Wonderland tells us we have to live with her mistakes (we've already had to live with the consequences of her Ruby Princess disaster). We don't have to live with her appalling, deadly mistakes. We want to keep the virus at bay until the vaccination rates are high enough to safely open the borders. NO matter what party you may support, he does represent the majority view here, that we won't be dictated to by someone like Gladys. Remember it is on her watch that allegedly infected drug dealers from Sydney have been taking the virus to aboriginal communities if you really must bring that card up.

We actually don't care what other states think we should do, others may scoff, but it is exactly this kind of sneering at the West from locked down states with destroyed economies which shows that we are a very different bunch of Australians. So McGowan doesn't want covid deaths of West Australians on his conscience like Dan and Gladys have? Why is that a bad thing?

Maybe all the sour grapes are because we are hosting the Grand Final in our Covid free state? Or just jealous that we can go about our daily lives without restrictions or masks?



De_flieger 6th Sep 2021 02:47


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11106762)
No. I was talking more about stuff like this from this morning's West Australian newspaper.

Behind a paywall.:( Can't read.

De_flieger 6th Sep 2021 02:56


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11106504)
Well learnt something - Godwin's Law, interesting article.

Sad the opinionated fail to read the "potential" in my comments.

Would one disagree that with such absolute majorities McGowan and Queen P COULDN't be Hitlers?
"Nah we'll avoid that part, hard to bullshit around that..." doesn't suit our narrative.

Yes, "one" would disagree. It's a ludicrous comparison. In a year or two if enough people feel they've done a bad job or the other mob would do better, they'll be out on their ears. Happens fairly regularly. McGowan won for a bunch of reasons, not least his Covid response which was, whether you like it or not, consistent and has been effective. WA is effectively living an unaffected lifestyle with the exception of interstate/overseas travel. Most people I talk to are fairly happy about things. Want to go to the beach, a bar with live music and 500 other people, or a Grand Final? You can do that. And the Liberals flip-flopped around, put the work experience kid up as their leader and can now hold a party meeting on the back of a moped. Maybe in a couple of years they'll make some sort of recovery.

SOPS 6th Sep 2021 03:09


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11106766)
Compare McGowan with HItler? Nobody is being gassed, no countries are being invaded and he won the last election in a landslide. This comparison shows a lot of ignorance. The key to his success is that he has been entirely consistant throughout. He's not perfect by any means, but he is not Hitler. He is a popular leader and doing a good job with Covid. When people start comparing others to Hitler they lose all their credibility.

The reason McGowan is so widely supported here is because we have a covid free lifestyle, while Gladys in Wonderland tells us we have to live with her mistakes (we've already had to live with the consequences of her Ruby Princess disaster). We don't have to live with her appalling, deadly mistakes. We want to keep the virus at bay until the vaccination rates are high enough to safely open the borders. NO matter what party you may support, he does represent the majority view here, that we won't be dictated to by someone like Gladys. Remember it is on her watch that allegedly infected drug dealers from Sydney have been taking the virus to aboriginal communities if you really must bring that card up.

We actually don't care what other states think we should do, others may scoff, but it is exactly this kind of sneering at the West from locked down states with destroyed economies which shows that we are a very different bunch of Australians. So McGowan doesn't want covid deaths of West Australians on his conscience like Dan and Gladys have? Why is that a bad thing?

Maybe all the sour grapes are because we are hosting the Grand Final in our Covid free state? Or just jealous that we can go about our daily lives without restrictions or masks?


Where is the like button when you need it?

KRviator 6th Sep 2021 03:20


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11106766)
Maybe all the sour grapes are because we are hosting the Grand Final in our Covid free state? Or just jealous that we can go about our daily lives without restrictions or masks?

No mate. Sour Grapes because what WA has achieved has been through good luck, nothing more, and certainly not good management, and not pulling their weight, all the while thumbing their nose at other states and telling them "This is how it should be done!". I dunno about you, but most every Aussie I've met takes a fairly dim view of people not pulling their weight and letting others carry the can...

Sure, if you want to bring in less than your percentage of returning Australians, you're more than welcome to. But NSW has consistently brought in two, two-and-a-bit times it's fair share since the border bollocks began. The same goes for airfreight...You don't see queues of FedEx or DHL planes heading in to Perth, do you? And of course, each of those crews needs to be transported to HQ, managed while in HQ and transported back to the airport, with the risk that entails.

Australia as a whole, has been happy to let NSW handle the lions share of the returning traveler & airfreight task, yet having the gall to penalise their citizens when it gets out of HQ, tut-tutting Gladys and her team for their perceived failings, because, you know, Tasmania has been Covid free for a year - but has taken in sweet FA international arrivals of any description for the vast majority of that timeframe...

For example, since April 2020-June 2021 (last month for which BTRE figures were available), this is the incoming passenger load:
  • Adelaide: 19,969
  • Brisbane: 112,276
  • Hobart: 1,314 - Only started taking international arrivals April/May & June 21, was 0 for the 12 months before that.
  • Melbourne: 81,570 - Took 0 in during Aug/Sep/Oct 2020 when they had their outbreak
  • Perth: 48,243
  • Sydney: 245, 951 - nearly 50% of all international arrivals, and almost as much as every other city combined

But you keep kicking back with the AFL grand final and the door closed to keep the boogey man out, all the while with a hospital system unable to cope with baseload cases without having to cancel elective surgeries. I'm sure your State Daddy has got it under control.

galdian 6th Sep 2021 03:29

I used the "Hitler" remark regards the absolute control both McGowan and Queen P possess, hopefully they would look to actually achieve something tangible and with long term vision.
That same absolute control could also be used negatively, don't expect it to be but lets wait and see.

The deeper aspects of Herr Hitlers activities never even crossed my mind, I am surprised it crossed the minds of others.

It comes down to whether you believe Delta can be eliminated, I don't believe it can be, yes for now WA is in an envious position but I expect Delta will move through all of Australia - just the nature of the beast.
The challenge will be when Delta lets loose in WA and the degree to which the State Government has prepared.

As for the GF circumstances dictate it cannot be held in Vic, hopefully will be a great game at a great stadium in front of a capacity crowd. Enjoy! :ok:

Cheers.

Torukmacto 6th Sep 2021 04:25


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11106766)
Compare McGowan with HItler? Nobody is being gassed, no countries are being invaded and he won the last election in a landslide. This comparison shows a lot of ignorance. The key to his success is that he has been entirely consistant throughout. He's not perfect by any means, but he is not Hitler. He is a popular leader and doing a good job with Covid. When people start comparing others to Hitler they lose all their credibility.

The reason McGowan is so widely supported here is because we have a covid free lifestyle, while Gladys in Wonderland tells us we have to live with her mistakes (we've already had to live with the consequences of her Ruby Princess disaster). We don't have to live with her appalling, deadly mistakes. We want to keep the virus at bay until the vaccination rates are high enough to safely open the borders. NO matter what party you may support, he does represent the majority view here, that we won't be dictated to by someone like Gladys. Remember it is on her watch that allegedly infected drug dealers from Sydney have been taking the virus to aboriginal communities if you really must bring that card up.

We actually don't care what other states think we should do, others may scoff, but it is exactly this kind of sneering at the West from locked down states with destroyed economies which shows that we are a very different bunch of Australians. So McGowan doesn't want covid deaths of West Australians on his conscience like Dan and Gladys have? Why is that a bad thing?

Maybe all the sour grapes are because we are hosting the Grand Final in our Covid free state? Or just jealous that we can go about our daily lives without restrictions or masks?

Won in landslide as he kept covid out , lost in landslide when state gets caught out when delta cases explode and WA unprepared and health systems fail ? It’s only a matter of time .

Clare Prop 6th Sep 2021 04:44

Who knows what next election will bring, but he is the leader we need right now. Plus we have almost no opposition.

Show me a state or territory that doesn't have a health system teetering on the brink of being overwhelmed? All the more reason not to have to accept Gladys and Clive's infected hordes to come here right now.

Not pulling our weight? We've had more international arrivals in hotel quarantine per capita than NSW. We have sent medical staff over East to help. We have helped the contact tracers. We been able, due to being covid free, to keep on digging up rocks to keep the Australian economy afloat. We have had to manage infected ship crews coming to collect those rocks. We haven't allowed infected drug dealers to travel from the cities to Aboriginal communities. We have a thriving tourism sector, the main problem here being staff shortages to deal with demand.

Comparisons with Hitler show total ignorance of history and to many are very offensive. No genocide is happening here. We haven;t had a Covid death for about 18 months. It is two Eastern states that are presiding over the deaths of minorities. Not WA.

We watch the situations unfold over East in horror and disbelief. Most of us have loved ones over there and it is very worrying. Nobody I know is gloating. The NSW situation is a result of the premier's ego, not good management.

ruprecht 6th Sep 2021 04:48

For a people that don’t care what people think about them, Western Australians spend a lot of time talking about what people think about them. :rolleyes:

Potsie Weber 6th Sep 2021 04:57


Originally Posted by Torukmacto (Post 11106787)
Won in landslide as he kept covid out , lost in landslide when state gets caught out when delta cases explode and WA unprepared and health systems fail ? It’s only a matter of time .

I think he won in a landslide more because there lacked any opposition. Harvey quit leadership in Nov 2020 leaving poor Zac to fight the March election. He conceded defeat even before Election Day. The libs policies were a shambles and their costings laughable. Even die hard liberal voters were dismayed.

The libs never would have won, but they may have been able to retain a few more seats to help keep labor in check. Labor is now unassailable for probably the next 2 elections and McGowan beyond reproach. I don’t think we are talking Nazi Germany here, but McGowan and Labor and Sheriff Dawson certainly don’t need to worry too much about any opposition scrutiny. No better example than the utterly incompetent Roger Cook, he’s not going anywhere despite putting the COVID free health system on its knees.

Clare Prop 6th Sep 2021 05:17


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11106795)
For a people that don’t care what people think about them, Western Australians spend a lot of time talking about what people think about them. :rolleyes:

So it's OK to come onto Pprune and slag off the sandgropers and then roll your eyes when we exercise a right to reply?
Last time I looked this forum was for all Australians. How about start your own exclusive Eastern States forum if you don't want any comments from West Australians?

SHVC 6th Sep 2021 05:22

Righto we get WA ppl love Lord McGowen, I don’t know why he has not done anything to better WA really, delta is closer than you think maybe AFL grand final will be the seeding event. Anna stay away is quietly $hitting herself I would bet. Father’s Day yesterday who knows how many infectious NSW ppl that gave hugs and those naughty NRL players and to top it off as the CMO said today the biggest hole are truckies. Tick tok, enjoy Xmas lockdown NSW and VIC will have a beer for you all in the pub.

De_flieger 6th Sep 2021 05:26


Originally Posted by galdian (Post 11106780)
I used the "Hitler" remark regards the absolute control both McGowan and Queen P possess, hopefully they would look to actually achieve something tangible and with long term vision.
That same absolute control could also be used negatively, don't expect it to be but lets wait and see.

The deeper aspects of Herr Hitlers activities never even crossed my mind, I am surprised it crossed the minds of others.

You honestly thought that people's primary association with Hitler was the proportion of votes he got, and the lack of opposition in German domestic politics in the early 1930s? And not the Holocaust and Second World War? Doesn't sound particularly believable to me....:rolleyes:

Clare Prop 6th Sep 2021 05:26

Delta has been in Fremantle harbour for weeks, doesn't mean we have to let it into the community.
Not all credit goes to the politicians, it also goes to the citizens, most of whom are doing the right thing to keep us all safe; and the medical professionals and quarantine staff. We don't have massive protests...because there is nothing to protest about or maybe we are busy getting on with our normal, unrestricted daily lives.


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