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Chronic Snoozer 20th Aug 2021 12:21


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11098452)
The mechanism by which coronaviruses replicate and mutate is very well understood - the RNA replication process that occurs after a coronavirus infects a cell is markedly less accurate than DNA replication. Each time a replication occurs the RNA creates a protein sequence and that protein sequence is then used to create a new strand of RNA - the protein sequence is a bit like a negative in photography or a mould in casting. Because of the inherent weakness in RNA replication there is a very small chance that the protein sequence could change slightly so you end up with a very, very slightly flawed negative or mould. Those changes result in the resulting next generation of RNA changing every so slightly. When you have many, many replications occurring many, many times as you would get in a large infected population, basic probability favors that the virus will adjust. It is straightforward evolution but on a very, very condensed timeline because of a) the relatively very short inter-generarional cycle time and b) the relatively poor accuracy of the replication process. Most of the time the small 'misprints' or 'miscasts' (mutations) that arise have no effect whatsoever on how the coronavirus interacts with its target hosts but every once in a while they do.

And you don't need to know how or what "caused" the original coronavirus to emerge, once you have mapped it genetically then you're on your way to dealing with it.

So stopping the spread is also the key to stopping mutations which spread faster, so stopping the spread is also key to stopping mutations which spread faster, so..................?

dr dre 20th Aug 2021 12:27


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11098430)
I know the rest of the year is going to be tough down south but sweet Jesus.


https://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_kenn...63173716987909

Government members denying this tonight. It doesnít seem logical considering cases this time last year were in the hundreds and the lockdown ended in October, and no one has ever extended a lockdown by 4 months.

I think itís just Kennett suffering relevancy deprivation syndrome, trying to attract clicks for his ďDictator Dan must go!Ē column in the Herald Sun today, or a distraction from his stuff ups at the Hawks.


MickG0105 20th Aug 2021 12:29


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11098457)
So stopping the spread is also the key to stopping mutations which spread faster, so stopping the spread is also key to stopping mutations which spread faster, so..................?

Yes, yes and, in anticipation, yes. It's worth noting that after 18 months and some what? 200 million cases globally (likely many more than that) there have thus far really only been three or four variants of significant concern. That said, best not to tempt fate if you can avoid it.

601 20th Aug 2021 12:34


For Melbourne to go into lockdown 6 times it shows that the current measures are not effective because the virus does keep coming back and spreading.
We did it last year, but we were dealing with a less infectious variant. .
The measures most likely would be effective against this latest variant if EVERYONE took personal responsibility to stop the spread.

Turnleft080 20th Aug 2021 13:26


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11098465)
We did it last year, but we were dealing with a less infectious variant. .
The measures most likely would be effective against this latest variant if EVERYONE took personal responsibility to stop the spread.

Lockdowns are like Chemo. Yes, you may kill the virus and you kill everything else with it. The longer the lockdown the longer it suppress your brain never mined the virus. Now calling it covid fatigue. Net result, all this crap lowers your immune system emotionally mentally and physically. Great, just what you want in a pandemic.

Chronic Snoozer 20th Aug 2021 13:33


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11098464)
Yes, yes and, in anticipation, yes. It's worth noting that after 18 months and some what? 200 million cases globally (likely many more than that) there have thus far really only been three or four variants of significant concern. That said, best not to tempt fate if you can avoid it.

These numbers are staggering. 4.88 billion doses administered. 35 million doses a day worldwide. Should have those trial results shortly.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vac...untry=OWID_WRL

Foxxster 20th Aug 2021 22:29

A quite effective treatment. Just approved in the uk. I wonder how long it will take us to approve it. Don’t worry, there’s no hurry or anything. Take your time. Only been used in the US for the last nine months. Might be handy to have now in the middle of the Indian variant with cases and hospitalisations spiralling .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

Green.Dot 20th Aug 2021 22:33

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...ated/100394760

WTF is wrong with our media? This should be a positive story. Yes, case numbers in Israel have spiked significantly but guess what? Deaths are right down compared to ďa non-vaccinated Israeli populationĒ Itís buried deep within the story.

Australia has fck all hope with ABC spreading fear and continuing to focus on case numbers. I too wish we could eliminate COVID, we thought we could, Iím glad we gave it a go, but itís not going to happen. Accept it Australia.




ruprecht 20th Aug 2021 22:42


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11098677)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...ated/100394760

WTF is wrong with our media? This should be a positive story. Yes, case numbers in Israel have spiked significantly but guess what? Deaths are right down. Itís buried deep within the story.

Australia has fck all hope with ABC spreading fear and continuing to focus on case numbers. I too wish we could eliminate COVID, we thought we could, Iím glad we gave it a go, but itís not going to happen. Accept it Australia.

From the article:

The death rate is also much lower, despite the surging cases.
Thats all you need to know.

I listen to ABC radio, and Iím growing tired of presenters who are paid by the government telling me how ďweíre all in this togetherĒ. :hmm:

Foxxster 20th Aug 2021 22:50

61 cases in Victoria today up from 55 yesterday.

Turnleft080 21st Aug 2021 01:03


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098681)
61 cases in Victoria today up from 55 yesterday.

Press conference just delivered. Wasn't to bad, I thought he was going to chain us to the furniture.

Foxxster 21st Aug 2021 01:11


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11098710)
Press conference just delivered. Wasn't to bad, I thought he was going to chain us to the furniture.


another 16 cases overnight so add those to the total they announced this morning.

Chris2303 21st Aug 2021 01:15

21 new cases in AKL - total now 51 including 6 in WLG

Foxxster 21st Aug 2021 01:17

832 for NSW today. 825 local plus 7 from overseas. Good effort Gladys. Now is the time to bunker down you said yesterday. At the start of week 9. Is that what the health advice said. Not at the start of week 1 or the start of week 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or the start of week 8. No it said wait until the state liberals start making plans to replace you and make it known they are doing so. So week 9 it is. But she is acting only on the health advice. Strange how the chief health officer didn’t give a straight answer when asked if she had given the premier advice to go harder earlier. Strange how the health minister said the health advice is not going to be released when the question was asked at one of the press conferences. It was asked after the chief health officer was asked her question to which she gave a politicians non answer.

but they are acting only on the health advice and don’t you forget it.

SOPS 21st Aug 2021 01:19


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098716)
832 for NSW today. Good effort Gladys. Now is the time to bunker down you said yesterday. At the start of week 9. Is that what the health advice said. Not at the start of week 1 or the start of week 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or the start of week 8. No it said wait until the state liberals start making plans to replace you and make it known they are doing so. So week 9 it is. But she is acting only on the health advice. Strange how the chief health officer didnít give a straight answer when asked if she had given the premier advice to go harder earlier. Strange how the health advice is not going to be released when the question was asked.

but they are acting only on the health advice and donít you forget it.

GladysÖ. Gold Standard. And Iím pi$$ed off at ScoMo ( and I vote for him), he encouraged her.

rattman 21st Aug 2021 01:20


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098716)
Good effort Gladys.

Truly gone for gold, vic relegated to silver

Chronic Snoozer 21st Aug 2021 01:23


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098716)
832 for NSW today. Good effort Gladys. Now is the time to bunker down you said yesterday. At the start of week 9. Is that what the health advice said. Not at the start of week 1 or the start of week 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or the start of week 8. No it said wait until the state liberals start making plans to replace you and make it known they are doing so. So week 9 it is. But she is acting only on the health advice. Strange how the chief health officer didnít give a straight answer when asked if she had given the premier advice to go harder earlier. Strange how the health minister said the health advice is not going to be released when the question was asked at one of the press conferences. It was asked after the chief health officer was asked her question to which she gave a politicians non answer.

but they are acting only on the health advice and donít you forget it.

Give it a rest would you. They canít deal with the outbreak by looking in the rear view mirror. If people arenít compliant, thatís not the governmentís fault, is it? This constant sniping and heckling of the government(s) is just wasting bandwidth.

Turnleft080 21st Aug 2021 01:24


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11098718)
Truly gone for gold, vic relegated to silver

WA came last in the heat and didn't even make the final. NSW and VIC definitely in the best lanes.

Foxxster 21st Aug 2021 01:28


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11098719)
Give it a rest would you. They canít deal with the outbreak by looking in the rear view mirror. If people arenít compliant, thatís not the governmentís fault, is it? This constant sniping and heckling of the government(s) is just wasting bandwidth.


maybe you should read what I said more carefully. Then realise what is actually driving their actions. Then realise they need to be held to account.

as for the relaxation of restrictions. Well there are three thresholds. 6,000,000 vaccines, 70% vaccinated, 80% vaccinated. We are currently at about 5.7 million vaccines and will get to 6 million by Monday. Has anyone seen a definitive official list of what will be relaxed. Or for the 70% or 80% marks. Why havenít they been released, at week 9 of this shambles.

PoppaJo 21st Aug 2021 01:29

Gladys keeps speaking in riddles it gives me a headache. Switched over to Dan at least itís bloody clear and straight to the damn point.


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