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Torukmacto 22nd Aug 2021 01:13

Not being from NSW Iím only seeing Gladysís recent work and I think she is leading the country the right way . Mistakes have been made but so has every other politician on the planet . She said we have to come to terms with it as itís here to stay , she tried to keep economic loss to a minimum before this outbreak forced her hand . Outbreaks in western suburbs , aboriginal communities and aged care facilities staffed by anti-vaxers are weak points that she has tried to respond to quickly . She is getting more vaccines in for the vulnerable and on the front foot with vaccinating young people , thatís been happening overseas for months . She was first to nominate a % that would allow her to open things up . Itís reported the nsw power brokers have numbers to topple her and she would lose an election ,yet she is staying the course that seems to my uneducated brain a way through this shit storm while all the other premiers look to winning next election in a landslide by pandering to peopleís fears by locking everyone up so they feel safe in their beds at night . The pendulum will swing and the money men in Canberra will gain the upper hand once vaccinations reach %70 and support to the states gets reduced .

Chris2303 22nd Aug 2021 01:13

71 total in NZ with 6 in WLG.

All linked to that woman who travelled from SYD.

If she'd kept the border closed................

compressor stall 22nd Aug 2021 01:16


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11099165)
I'm going to put 10 bucks on NSW residents being able to travel overseas (excluding NZ) before they're allowed to travel to WA. Anyone want to take it?
.

Agree except Iíll wager more on it!
Actually opening international borders would be a pretty strong tool in the Fedís playbook to get recalcitrant states in line.
Vic is now out of control and wonít be eliminated by lockdown. Not sure if itís in the news yet but sources tell me it has spread regionally beyond Shepparton.
By November VIC and NSW open for business and the rest of the country isolateÖ.

SHVC 22nd Aug 2021 01:25

I will bet $100 on it, the unrest will run riot in QLD when they see NSW and Victorians booking a flight to Europe next yr.

Xeptu 22nd Aug 2021 01:28


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11099165)
I'm going to put 10 bucks on NSW residents being able to travel overseas (excluding NZ) before they're allowed to travel to WA. Anyone want to take it?

We are in the nightmare scenario for domestic aviation. I'm struggling to see a way out of it. The only leverage Morrison has left is to cut support payments once we hit 80% national vax rates and hope the outcry and misery unleashed is sufficient to bend the will of the premiers. The man is a eunuch right now, confined to giving people money while the premiers make all the decisions.

I'm struggling to understand your logic. What makes you think we in the largely unaffected states and that's all of us outside of NSW and VIC would want to even risk damage to our business and economy by opening our borders before we are confident we can.

PoppaJo 22nd Aug 2021 01:33

I live in regional outback QLD and you are correct, the community here will need to be dragged kicking and screaming to get it. They all were horrified that I had the AZ and my kids also. I also remind them that Dr Young is a delusional old witch with that needs to resign. I was nearly arrested.

I reminded them of the consequences when we stop reporting cases numbers and it rips though these outback areas in future years, they didnít have a care in the world. They will in the future however.

Xeptu 22nd Aug 2021 01:33


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11099172)
I will bet $100 on it, the unrest will run riot in QLD when they see NSW and Victorians booking a flight to Europe next yr.

Except that they will all be broke by then, so I doubt anyone from NSW and VIC will be going anywhere for a while yet. Probably the very last to travel.

Green.Dot 22nd Aug 2021 01:37

There is hope ahead with potential acceptance amongst state leaders, but I still canít see WA coming to the party anytime soonÖ

https://apple.news/AYaDjpjC3TbCYqiwJJoskng

SHVC 22nd Aug 2021 01:38

The logic is NSW and Vic will have different travel freedoms, not able to fly domestically but internationally. I cant wait for the Emperor and Queen P to keep the ppl convinced covid zero is the only way of living.

KRviator 22nd Aug 2021 01:49


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11099175)
I'm struggling to understand your logic. What makes you think we in the largely unaffected states and that's all of us outside of NSW and VIC would want to even risk damage to our business and economy by opening our borders before we are confident we can.

So the question to you, Xeptu is when would you, personally, be comfortable opening the WA border to NSW/Vic? Because, from where I sit in NSW, I'll have the opportunity to fly to Bali before I can get to Bunbury...And if McGowan won't reopen the border to NSW because of the risk, I dare say there's not a snowballs chance he'll reopen it internationally!

murder most fowl 22nd Aug 2021 01:51

For me the difficulty comes in the transition from 'double dougnut' press conferences to '200 positive, 4 deaths, all good'. The politicians have taken the short term gain and immense popularity of zero covid and now they are stuck.

We are in danger of becoming a hermit nation in the meantime. The French sent a second string rugby team as the others didn't want to quarantine. Same will happen with the Ashes, IF it still goes ahead. No barmy army tourists spending money. Will Australia lose the F1? How about Australian Open tennis? Will the government give them all special exemptions? That will do down a treat with voters who want the same treatment for Australians.

SHVC 22nd Aug 2021 01:53

I have read so thing a while back Dubai want the open off Australia, that could very well happen now. I can’t imagine the tennis players isolating like they did this yr at the 2022 open when the can easily go to another country freely. F1 that could very well go also.

Xeptu 22nd Aug 2021 02:19


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11099182)
So the question to you, Xeptu is when would you, personally, be comfortable opening the WA border to NSW/Vic? Because, from where I sit in NSW, I'll have the opportunity to fly to Bali before I can get to Bunbury...And if McGowan won't reopen the border to NSW because of the risk, I dare say there's not a snowballs chance he'll reopen it internationally!

So the question is to me personally ok and so my answer is my personal opinion at this time. Firstly Bali no longer exists, there would be no point going there even if you wanted to, probably for at least the next couple of years. WA opens and closes its borders to those states and territories dependant on both risk assessment and management. The border hasn't remained permanently shut.

Before WA opens it's border to NSW or VIC, firstly I would expect most if not all west australians to have been vaccinated as would be those intending to enter the state. There will still be requirements such as mask wearing in public places where people in any numbers would be. Random testing can be expected in the larger work places. I would expect a close monitoring of Europe and Israel to see what their longer term experience is.

I wouldn't expect to see these thresholds achieved and therefore border restrictions or closure much before mid 2022

I would expect west australians along with all the other largely unaffected states and territories to be comfortable with that expectation for at least another 12 months yet.

SHVC 22nd Aug 2021 02:35

I don’t think our economy and way of life fit in with your expectations.

Xeptu 22nd Aug 2021 02:37


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11099193)
I donít think our economy and way of life fit in with your expectations.

Our economy is doing just fine thanks and you are entitled to your opinion just the same

Bad Adventures 22nd Aug 2021 02:53

Itís pretty simple really. Include children aged 12 to 15 in the 80% then let it rip. Frydenburg has said heíll turn off the taps if the States donít fall into line. Voters will soon turn on Kim Jong Mclown and Queen P when the rest of us are enjoying our summer vacation in Europe.

SHVC 22nd Aug 2021 02:58

You must of had a few bad hands dealt in life Xeptu! You seem to be taking great joy at others misery and pain.

Dannyboy39 22nd Aug 2021 03:09


Originally Posted by murder most fowl (Post 11099183)
For me the difficulty comes in the transition from 'double dougnut' press conferences to '200 positive, 4 deaths, all good'. The politicians have taken the short term gain and immense popularity of zero covid and now they are stuck.

We are in danger of becoming a hermit nation in the meantime. The French sent a second string rugby team as the others didn't want to quarantine. Same will happen with the Ashes, IF it still goes ahead. No barmy army tourists spending money. Will Australia lose the F1? How about Australian Open tennis? Will the government give them all special exemptions? That will do down a treat with voters who want the same treatment for Australians.

Clearly a huge policy shift, but Australia needs to come into line with the majority of the rest of the world which is gradually opening up to the vaccinated. Whilst these policies stay in place, I cannot see the Ashes or Australian Open or the next F1 race happening this coming summer.

Governments are also failing to understand how the vaccine actually works - yes, the vaccine reduces your chances of getting it by around 75% but there is infection because the vaccine works in the lungs and not in the upper respiratory tract. So youíre going to get positives but that is a sign the vaccines are working as intended!

Also - models which governments love to cite. The U.K. has proven that these are constantly overplaying impacts of the virus. Whilst our case numbers are still stubbornly high, the numbers of people hospitalised are still below the best case predictions by about 20%.

Xeptu 22nd Aug 2021 03:13


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11099201)
You must of had a few bad hands dealt in life Xeptu! You seem to be taking great joy at others misery and pain.

You must be kidding me, how the f$#k do you conclude that. I understand your position I have been there myself more than a couple of times in my aviation career.

Prior to the year 2000, it was 5 years in the right hand seat of a turboprop to a command or picked up by the majors, grounded, merged, redundant about every 10 years and start agen, Then China happened, opened it's doors to the biggest population in the world to the tourism industry. Never before happened and 20 years of wow!! how is this even possible who would have thought. But end it would and I did tell the newbies it's not normally like this, it's unprecedented, this bubble will burst. So here we are, you guys don't know anything else, how it was precovid was the norm for you. So believe me I know what you are feeling when the music stops.

rez125 22nd Aug 2021 05:17


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11099177)
Except that they will all be broke by then, so I doubt anyone from NSW and VIC will be going anywhere for a while yet. Probably the very last to travel.

Broke? Haven't been so busy in my profession ever.

There are plenty of people in Vic making good money and we cannot wait to spend it!


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