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Capn Rex Havoc 20th Aug 2021 00:31

43In -

Looks a lot like some of the trouble stirring group have suddenly depart this realm, willingly or not who know's.
Who exactly, are you referring to here, and what "trouble" have this fictitious group of yours been causing?


nomilk 20th Aug 2021 00:33

Germany and Singapore start a "vaccinated travel lane". Lots of tests, but opening up for business travellers and tourists.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...travel-without

Global Aviator 20th Aug 2021 00:35


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11098197)
Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

The answer is yes, like many countries. They will accept any WHO recognised vaccine.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098210)
43In -

Who exactly, are you referring to here, and what "trouble" have this fictitious group of yours been causing?

Bueller! he's having a day off

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:41


Germany and Singapore start a "vaccinated travel lane". Lots of tests, but opening up for business travellers and tourists.
VTL flights is new, and airlines already offering it. So you can only get on the flight if you are fully vaccinated, looks like more and more you will be corralled into getting vaccinated whether you like it or not. That or you will be never leaving the country.

KRviator 20th Aug 2021 00:46


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098218)
So you can only get on the flight if you are fully vaccinated, looks like more and more you will be corralled into getting vaccinated whether you like it or not. That or you will be never leaving the country. your home state.

Fixed it for you.

Turnleft080 20th Aug 2021 00:57


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098198)
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

Back up a bit. Lets get back to the objective. That is to get to this so called 70/80%. When that happens everyone has a differing opinion of who and what opens. Scotty himself said, we treat this like the flu. If that's the case, then that means we go back to living 2019 style. Pollies will squabble over this as we know. This comes to another question? One death is way to many at the moment with present lockdowns, what number will they accept when we get to 80%.
Just one good thing came out of yesterday. That is, Gladys said "we have to learn to live with the virus and we have to look at hospitalisations numbers instead of cases."

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:09

How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 01:12


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098226)
How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

Assuming those seats aren't already lost

SOPS 20th Aug 2021 01:22


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098226)
How will the Feds encourage recalcitrant State leaders to introduce sensible privileges to the vaccinated? For instance, what passive measures do they have to penalise Mcgowan without losing federal seats in WA.

You want to penalise Mark and hope they won’t lose Federal seats. Good luck with that.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 01:23


Back up a bit. Lets get back to the objective. That is to get to this so called 70/80%. When that happens everyone has a differing opinion of who and what opens. Scotty himself said, we treat this like the flu. If that's the case, then that means we go back to living 2019 style. Pollies will squabble over this as we know. This comes to another question? One death is way to many at the moment with present lockdowns, what number will they accept when we get to 80%.
Just one good thing came out of yesterday. That is, Gladys said "we have to learn to live with the virus and we have to look at hospitalisations numbers instead of cases."
I think today they pretty much announced what is going to happen, hit 70%, venues that are vulnerable to virus spread, pubs, Gyms, restaurants can open with proof of vaccination required to attend. Businesses will be fine because one, they can trade and two, it gives them some control over having sick loss of productivity. I think that's pretty much saying what is going to happen for at least the next year or few. If it works out in NSW and people accept it, then Vic, Qld and SA will follow. WA, who knows, McGowan was given a clear mandate in this years election what they do, forget them, that's up to West Aussies to sort out for themselves, let the rest of Australia deal with their problems first.

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:24

Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 01:27


Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?
Feds can legislate who can enter the country. States can use emergency powers to control movement within a state, including quarantine.

-41 20th Aug 2021 01:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11098233)
You want to penalise Mark and hope they won’t lose Federal seats. Good luck with that.

Couldn’t care less whom is in power, they are all inept. Selfishly just want to get back to racing narrow bodies across the bight, and earn a living again.



Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098236)
Feds can legislate who can enter the country. States can use emergency powers to control movement within a state, including quarantine.

Thanks. Will have to get that sorted, I am hoping big business will turn the screws on Mcgowan.

Capn Rex Havoc 20th Aug 2021 01:42


The answer is yes, like many countries. They will accept any WHO recognised vaccine.
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......


Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.
US does not have a vaccine passport system.

Chris2303 20th Aug 2021 01:48

31 total in NZ today, including 3 in WLG.

1500 update from the PM will advise on lockdown extensions

I find it a little bit ironic that she is being lauded for her handling but she is the one who let the virus in. Mind you, we'd all be dead by now if the other lot were in power.

WingNut60 20th Aug 2021 01:57


Originally Posted by -41 (Post 11098235)
Can the Federal government open a quarantine free international route for travellers with the immunisations, SIA-PER. or does WA have the ability to close the international border?
Mcgowan's latest declaration of no Bali travel until they are zero cases covid free. Who actually runs the Federal borders ?

Are you sure he said that?

The only reference that I can find is Ross Taylor saying "“He (McGowan) effectively said until Bali is COVID zero, West Australians aren’t going back,” Taylor said."
That's one way to read what he said.
I believe that what he said was "border closures and targeted lock downs will remain options even when 80 per cent of the population has been vaccinated"
As the president and founder of the "Indonesia Institute Incorporated" he may have particular concerns about this possibility but I think this response tends towards being a "knee-jerk" reaction.

Now, for the others, if your hearing has been affected by multiple years of skolling Resch's drain water in the local bowlo then maybe you heard him say something different.
But it's not what I heard him say.

cynphil 20th Aug 2021 02:27


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098241)
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......

US does not have a vaccine passport system.

Canada does accept Astra Zeneca…

MickG0105 20th Aug 2021 02:41


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11098241)
I believe Canada wasn't accepting AstraZenica.......

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ca4dcc41ff.jpg
From https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...ntering-canada

Turnleft080 20th Aug 2021 04:35

I have been trying to find info (maybe someone can) on the sudden disappearance of the Wuhan, Alpha, Beta, Gamma variants. On most graphs they are down to < 2%. Vaccines pretty march started at the beginning of the year so it wasn't the vaccines that kicked them out. Did the Delta variant just push them aside. Don't know. Possibly they ran their course. i.e. The infection-spread and dissipation is done. Did they all reach herd immunity mainly in other parts of the world due to our international border closed. That took about 15 months say. In that case add 15 months to the Delta (March) = June 2022. By then the Delta will be < 2%. With the help of vaccines it should be quicker and quicker still the sooner you end lockdowns. Stacks of epidemiologists on tv though I would like them to answer this query. Or maybe the fantastic health advice department.


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