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SOPS 19th Aug 2021 09:30


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11097781)
only old retired blokes with no life who donít fly anymore yet still frequent aviation sites listen to WA talkback. Either way, I wouldnít call a talkback audience a good sample.

heís done a great job. Last month, ambulance ramp hours blew through 5000 in a month. Thatís 5000 hours of an ambulance sitting outside an ED with a patient inside, unable to get treatment, and with the ambulance unable to be redeployed elsewhere. Itís no wonder heís so shit scared of COVID.

heís done nothing. Heís a pathetic man who jumps onto the latest public opinion issue and follows the masses.

so while you smugly sit in WA now jumping on here every day to share the latest tidbit of minor information and take joy in the decline or end of many pilots careers, remember that not too far into the future, when WA residents see the rest of Australia getting on with life while youíre stuck in the one place (may not bother you personally but it will annoy many expats and others), weíll be sitting here flipping the bird at you lot saying Ďcouldnít give a tossí

I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyoneís job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.

goodonyamate 19th Aug 2021 09:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097811)
I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyoneís job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.

i genuinely hope thatís the case. We get it. Canít deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He wonít spend a cent of all WAís apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, heís finished.

Chronic Snoozer 19th Aug 2021 12:48


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11097823)
i genuinely hope thatís the case. We get it. Canít deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He wonít spend a cent of all WAís apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, heís finished.

McGowan has done a politician's Bradbury.

Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 14:03

Gladys said today we now have to live with this virus. ( Where did this common sense come from). Well if they started with that philosophy from scratch, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Then Scotty says we must suppress the virus. Making up policy on the spot. Next question the UK opened up at 50% with a population of 63 mil. Then want us to open up at 80% with a population of 25 mil. Um, our CHOs obviously failed elementary mathematics never mind physiology talk about that another time.

Australopithecus 19th Aug 2021 20:08

If we had started with that philosophy a lot more of us wouldn’t be in this mess now because they'd be dead. So you’re right on that point. Someone failed elementary mathematics, that’s for sure.

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 22:09

Today the talk in NSW is 70% fully vaxxed is the threshold, with most venues including Gyms and such being allowed open with provision you have to present proof of full vaccination to enter. This is finally in line with what the euro zone is doing. Not arguing if it's right or not to persecute non vaxxers, but that is what is happening overseas and is working to get those businesses going again.

Looks a lot like some of the trouble stirring group have suddenly depart this realm, willingly or not who know's.

MickG0105 19th Aug 2021 22:11

A new study out of the UK released in pre-print - Impact of Delta on viral burden and vaccine effectiveness against new SARS-CoV-2 infections in the UK’ by Koen B. Pouwels et al.

Some interesting professional commentary on same here.

minigundiplomat 19th Aug 2021 22:46

Maybe some of you need to head over to Military Aviation
 
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Potsie Weber 19th Aug 2021 23:15

No Bali holidays until 2028! Maybe this will see the sandgropers revolt on State Daddy and his zero COVID!

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881974867z


Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 23:22

Well it appears that today old Gladys will finally overcome her fear of being labelled a racist and introduce tougher lockdown measures in some suburbs. Strange how this comes after weeks of inaction but the day after reports of people in the state liberal party making plans to select a new leader should she either step aside, not likely or be forced out. Nothing like seeing your own job on the line to focus the mind and actually do the right thing.

as for 70% and those fully vaccinated might be allowed to go back to the gym or get a haircut. Well big deal. And why have we not actually seen the complete details of what happens at 6 million vaccines. That seems to have been forgotten. And the full details of what happens at 70% and then at 80%. Are we five years old. That is how we are being treated. Or has it taken the useless health public servants two months to do what should take two days.

Turnleft080 19th Aug 2021 23:40


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11098180)
No Bali holidays until 2028! Maybe this will see the sandgropers revolt on State Daddy and his zero COVID!

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881974867z

Bali will find a way. The Russians will flood the market with their stack of charter operators. Just like they did after the bombing. The Russians are coming. They love Bali more than us. Russian men that is.

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 23:43


as for 70% and those fully vaccinated might be allowed to go back to the gym or get a haircut. Well big deal.
I think you miss the point that if Gyms and Salons are allowed to open then everything else will be as well. Just need a few political kicks in the bum to reopen those borders.


Bali will find a way. The Russians will flood the market with their stack of charter operators. Just like they did after the bombing. The Russians are coming. They love Bali more than us. Russian men that is.
Bali is not open anyway, even if you wanted to go, from what's been said its' empty and has been gutted. I think most are missing the point that a lot of places wont let you in unless you are fully vaccinated anyway, even if Australia does let you out. A lot of posters keep talking like this has only affected Australia somehow.

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 23:58


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098188)
I think you miss the point that if Gyms and Salons are allowed to open then everything else will be as well. Just need a few political kicks in the bum to reopen those borders.

Then what is the 80% for if everything is already open. The complete lack of any detail is utterly disgraceful. Nine weeks and we have nothing except the last day a rumour that we can go to the gym. They need to take a very large broom through the health department bureaucracy and do a major cull.

Bali is not open anyway, even if you wanted to go, from what's been said its' empty and has been gutted. I think most are missing the point that a lot of places wont let you in unless you are fully vaccinated anyway, even if Australia does let you out. A lot of posters keep talking like this has only affected Australia somehow.


I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:01

Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:01


I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

Foxxster 20th Aug 2021 00:04


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11098197)
Then there's the question of will the US recognise all vaccines as part of their vaccine passport requirements or just theirs.

the uk still cannot travel directly to the us for this reason, but us residents can travel to the uk. I think AstraZeneca is the issue. The us hasn’t approved it so have not used it themselves. It was a sticking point a couple of months ago when they started negotiating. Appears it hasn’t been resolved.


WingNut60 20th Aug 2021 00:11


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11098198)
Yeah It's pretty much playing out like the states here overseas with international borders. I can't see normal international holidays being a thing for a number of years.

One significant driver that's not getting much of a mention here is overseas students.
I am aware that universities have ramped up distance ed. and on-line tutoring but I am sure that is not as financially rewarding as having dorms full of foreign students.

43Inches 20th Aug 2021 00:11


the uk still cannot travel directly to the us for this reason, but us residents can travel to the uk. I think AstraZeneca is the issue. The us hasn’t approved it so have not used it themselves. It was a sticking point a couple of months ago when they started negotiating. Appears it hasn’t been resolved.
I was reading the other day that the AZ issue was purely the issues with the final phase testing not having sufficient over 65s in the cohort. For some reason AZ is not even seeking approval from the FDA for use within the US, so who knows if that will be fixed. As for it being the reason for not being let into the US I have no idea on that.


One significant driver that's not getting much of a mention here is overseas students.
I am aware that universities have ramped up distance ed. and on-line tutoring but I am sure that is not as financially rewarding as having dorms full of foreign stude
It was definitely in the news early on, but public sentiment is way off on those lot. Letting a few students in from places like China or India to fill the coffers of perceived rich/rorting universities is a political minefield.

minigundiplomat 20th Aug 2021 00:13


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11098195)
I have an awful feeling that international travel will be plagued by the problems the uk are having with their traffic light system for countries. One day a country is green, the next it turns orange or red. It is the same situation we have here with border closures. Who is going to book anything when at a whim you can get stuck overseas in two weeks quarantine or need to do the same when you return. Or simply cannot go .

that was an issue a few months back but on the whole has been resolved. Itís nothing like the nonsense we have here.

Xeptu 20th Aug 2021 00:25

I can just see it coming, The vaccines are good for about 5 months before you need a booster, eventually that probably won't be free. How many shots do I take before I conclude do I really need to be doing this.


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