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SOPS 18th Aug 2021 08:58


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097090)
nobody will say it.

but look at where the cases are. South west Sydney predominantly and also western Sydney.

you want to know why Gladys wonít do a proper lockdown there, Because she is afraid of being called racist. Yep. Afraid of being called racist by the kind of people who have just taken over in Afghanistan. There are hundreds of them in that part of Sydney. More like thousands. We saw them at their finest a few years ato at that protest in the centre of Sydney where they had their five year old children hold up signs saying behead all infidels. Did anyone really think they are going to worry about lockdown laws.But everyday we get Gladys at her press conference saying pretty please stay at home if you live in that area. Pwease. For gods sake.

No one was brave enough to say it up to now. Foxxster has nailed it.

Lead Balloon 18th Aug 2021 09:30

It also happens to be the area in which the lion's share of drug money is laundered, and that's for the whole of Australia. People who distribute drugs as a vocation are generally unperturbed by minor irritations like laws.

Ladloy 18th Aug 2021 09:56


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097090)
nobody will say it.

but look at where the cases are. South west Sydney predominantly and also western Sydney.

you want to know why Gladys wonít do a proper lockdown there, Because she is afraid of being called racist. Yep. Afraid of being called racist by the kind of people who have just taken over in Afghanistan. There are hundreds of them in that part of Sydney. More like thousands. We saw them at their finest a few years ato at that protest in the centre of Sydney where they had their five year old children hold up signs saying behead all infidels. Did anyone really think they are going to worry about lockdown laws.But everyday we get Gladys at her press conference saying pretty please stay at home if you live in that area. Pwease. For gods sake.

The whole state is in some sort of lockdown now. If she didn't want to he called racist she may as well blanket the harsher rules throughout the state. Racism theory doesn't add up.


Lead Balloon 18th Aug 2021 10:11

None of the state of NSW is in 'lockdown'. The Local Government Areas in Sydney in which most of the cases are arising are not in 'lockdown'.

When the areas in Sydney in which most of the cases are arising are actually 'locked down', NSW will move from half-arsed to fully-arsed. The difficulty with going fully-arsed in those areas is that many of the residents are not used to and are not inclined to do what they've been told by the 'authorities'.

The same does not apply to much of the rest of NSW.

KRviator 18th Aug 2021 10:21


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11097155)
That's my first recourse. I found nothing, hence the question to the Capn.

I'm not sure I've read the same article, but I've seen several that seem to support that position. Here's but two...

Every day, paediatrician and child psychiatrist Alberto Veloso sees children as young as five struggling with anxiety, depression and thoughts of harming themselves. But what is different is the number of those seeking help has gone up drastically during the pandemic.

"We are getting a 30 to 40 per cent increase in referrals and increasing demand that we have trouble keeping up [with]," Dr Veloso said. "We now have a waitlist. To see one of our clinicians is a couple of months. Source

With Victoria undergoing its sixth lockdown, residents in rural areas of the state are waiting up to three months to see a psychologist, as the strain of repeated stay-at-home orders continues to grow.

Boort psychologist Naomi Malone said that, in every lockdown, more people sought help, and waiting times had blown out. "With our little practice, we usually get one or two enquiries a day, but [during] the last lockdown we had 30 enquiries a week," Dr Malone said. Source
Bear in mind these articles deal exclusively with those that have the courage to reach out for help. I don't know the percentage breakdowns of those that do, vs those that don't, but I'm fairly confident in saying it's heavily skewed towards those that don't and that being the case, there's an awful lot of people out there who need that help but aren't getting it....

MickG0105 18th Aug 2021 10:39


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11097215)
I'm not sure I've read the same article, but I've seen several that seem to support that position. Here's but two...Bear in mind these articles deal exclusively with those that have the courage to reach out for help. I don't know the percentage breakdowns of those that do, vs those that don't, but I'm fairly confident in saying it's heavily skewed towards those that don't and that being the case, there's an awful lot of people out there who need that help but aren't getting it....

Yep, thanks for that. I found the ABC piece that featured Dr Veloso talking about increased demand for mental health services. That increased demand is not in dispute - I'm involved with a crisis support service and we've seen a 20 percent increase in demand since the pandemic started.

What I could not find was a psychologist that was on the ABC news last night who was saying that the suicide rate in teenagers has skyrocketed. Hence the question to the good Capn.

Lead Balloon 18th Aug 2021 10:44

Yay! Australia's disgraceful rate of suicide is remaining stable. Go Australia!

Paragraph377 18th Aug 2021 11:51

Increases in those needing counselling services and those committing suicide during COVID;
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....icle/100305640

An estimated 2,500 cancer diagnosis missed in Victoria alone during COVID. That is just one State, as an example;
https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/...d-19-lockdowns

Airlines, tourism, transport, hospitality, healthcare, live entertainment, gyms, health clubs and yes retail - all smashed. Many people think that because online sales are up that means the overall retail trade is up. Wrong, retail is made up of more than Amazon and EBay. ABC article;
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....icle/100305954

My reason for posting this is because Iím so sick of people saying Ďmost sections of the economy are goodí, except for aviation. Bullshit.



43Inches 18th Aug 2021 12:26

No one said the economy was "good", the economy is "fine", that is we are not in recession or depression. But compared the rest of the world we are doing OK.

The argument is over how many businesses will/have failed because of covid strategy vs how many are dying. You can talk about mental health, businesses shutting down, etc, all the severe effects of this are RBS monitored, and the results in are that no mass suicides are happening and no mass bankruptcy is going on.

That does not mean people are not getting mentally or economically stressed, they are, but are they suicidal and going out of business, NO.

Look at the list of things that stress a person out, number 1 - Death of a loved one, financial stress is down the line about number 7. If you think being open and letting people die is somehow better for mental health than what is currently happening you are misguided. How many would be considering suicide after they bring covid home and infect and kill their loved ones.

If you think its better for the economy when small businesses close because their owners died of covid or masses of workers are on sick leave for isolation or until testing negative, you are misguided. If you think having 30% of your population scared to leave home because they will get sick is good for the economy, you are misguided. If you think the economic losses due to increased amounts of long term sick due to long covid will not cost the economy a huge amount, you may, well you know the drill.

Seriously if you think mental health and economic issues are only part of the lockdown solution, you may need a jackhammer to loosen up that grey matter.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...substance-use/

Thats from the USA, the pandemic in general is causing all the same issues, its not a "lockdown" thing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7503043/

A study on Sweden being more free, found mental health issues were no different than Italy or China which had severe lockdowns.

Ninthace 18th Aug 2021 14:30

Or you could have a look at this
https://biblescienceforum.com/2021/0...ner-fuellmich/
realise it is all BS and regain the1hr:22min you would have wasted.

https://medika.life/reiner-fuellmich...onspiracy-con/
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...9;t-novel.html

SOPS 18th Aug 2021 15:04


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11097319)

And what worries me is that it appears that there are people here, that I assume are in charge of large jet aircraft, actually believe this conspiracy crap. It really concerns me.

( Although I must admit, now that Iím fully vaxed, my 4G phone has great 5G reception 😂😂)

hamfists 18th Aug 2021 19:52

It may all be bullshit but if youíre trying to find truth on ABC, Reuters, AP, The New York Times or the American news networks youíll be out of luck..the BBC is about 50/50

I donít know what they teach in journalism school but it doesnít include any sort of investigation

Xeptu 18th Aug 2021 19:58


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097342)
And what worries me is that it appears that there are people here, that I assume are in charge of large jet aircraft, actually believe this conspiracy crap. It really concerns me.

( Although I must admit, now that Iím fully vaxed, my 4G phone has great 5G reception 😂😂)

Morning All :) It's certainly eyebrow raising but when you think about it it's no different to God fearing people that think they're off to heaven when they die.

RodH 18th Aug 2021 20:40

I read in the ABC News web site this morning that our illustrious Qld. premier has asked for 100 Commonwealth troops to be stationed along the NSW border to keep those pesky infected NSW people out of the Sunshine State.
Things are getting pretty nasty and desperate ATM.
No way things will change much until most of us have had two doses of the vaccine.
Until then Chaos will reign supreme.

Paragraph377 18th Aug 2021 20:58


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11097467)
Morning All :) It's certainly eyebrow raising but when you think about it it's no different to God fearing people that think they're off to heaven when they die.

If there is a higher source I doubt he would want the heavens infected with COVID. I donít want to be the one though that has to tell that to those who believe they have a higher calling (politicians, elitists, airline CEOís etc)

Gnadenburg 18th Aug 2021 21:54


Originally Posted by RodH (Post 11097490)
I read in the ABC News web site this morning that our illustrious Qld. premier has asked for 100 Commonwealth troops to be stationed along the NSW border to keep those pesky infected NSW people out of the Sunshine State.
Things are getting pretty nasty and desperate ATM.
No way things will change much until most of us have had two doses of the vaccine.
Until then Chaos will reign supreme.

Crossed the border 12 times into QLD and back to NSW on my hike yesterday afternoon. Beautiful! Didn't see a Queenlander. Glad they are being kept safe by Annastacia.

C441 18th Aug 2021 22:02


Originally Posted by RodH (Post 11097490)
I read in the ABC News web site this morning that our illustrious Qld. premier has asked for 100 Commonwealth troops to be stationed along the NSW border to keep those pesky infected NSW people out of the Sunshine State.
Things are getting pretty nasty and desperate ATM.
No way things will change much until most of us have had two doses of the vaccine.
Until then Chaos will reign supreme.

And then there's this from the 'beloved' Qld CHO…..:rolleyes:
“One case of Delta means we need a lockdown ... until we get 70 per cent of our population vaccinated,” she said on Wednesday. “If we don’t find the first case, we won’t be locking down for one or two weeks, we’ll be locking down for months.”

KRviator 18th Aug 2021 22:11

But, C441 she has kept 'em safe up there. She's done so well, she's been promoted to Governor of Queen-P's-Land.

Yep. A real top effort. You just have to look past the devastated families who missed seeing their dying relatives, or their funerals, the infant who was flown from the Northern River's to Sydney instead of Brisbane for treatment and died as a result and the comment that if you're rich enough, you can buy your way in to the state.

But she's kept them safe! No matter the cost!

Gnadenburg 18th Aug 2021 22:16


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11097272)
No one said the economy was "good", the economy is "fine", that is we are not in recession or depression. But compared the rest of the world we are doing OK.


As we should be! We are a bountiful and lucky country. We are benefiting from world-wide stimulus driving a healthy balance of payments. There is confidence Australia's economy will bounce back quickly from the Delta blip. But is it a given with current leadership? Somebody has to say, moving forward into a post-COVID world, some Australians will have to die.

COVID is round one from the CCP btw. However which way you look at it. Australia needs a strong economy and strong leadership. We've been exposed in our COVID response on many fronts inviting CCP interference.

I'm sure there are never-ending links to support this argument but I won't fall into the trap of thinking anyone here clicks on them.


Foxxster 18th Aug 2021 22:17


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11097546)
But, C441 she has kept 'em safe up there. She's done so well, she's been promoted to Governor of Queen-P's-Land.

Yep. A real top effort. You just have to look past the devastated families who missed seeing their dying relatives, or their funerals, the infant who was flown from the Northern River's to Sydney instead of Brisbane for treatment and died as a result and the comment that if you're rich enough, you can buy your way in to the state.

But she's kept them safe! No matter the cost!


and done a wonderful smear job on AstraZeneca purely for political purposes. She and her health nutter knew full well the weakness of the federal libs especially Morrison was the lack of Pfizer. But there was plenty of AstraZeneca. So we get the chook making up bullshit stories so she can get Pfizer and the quack doing a hatchet job on AstraZeneca not once but twice. Keeping Queensland safe. I think not.


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