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Keg 2nd Jul 2021 01:29


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11071851)
So how do you stop people coming to Australia with fake Vaccinnation certificates ? Unlikely for borders to open before 2025.

As long as Covid doesn’t morph into something that can beat the vaccines, borders will be more or less completely open by this time next year. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re allowing those vaccinated to travel to certain countries with minimal iso on return by February or March.

Fonz121 2nd Jul 2021 02:32


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11071851)
So how do you stop people coming to Australia with fake Vaccinnation certificates ? Unlikely for borders to open before 2025.

The same way you stop people coming on fake documents of any kind I’d suggest. I can’t see it being an issue.

Potsie Weber 2nd Jul 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11071859)
As long as Covid doesn’t morph into something that can beat the vaccines, borders will be more or less completely open by this time next year. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re allowing those vaccinated to travel to certain countries with minimal iso on return by February or March.

Doesn’t seem much of an improvement. We are going further backwards with 50% caps for the rest of this year and “hope we are living in the second phase next year”. The second phase means unvaccinated caps back to today’s level, possible increase in vaccinated travel but still existing quarantine for unvaxxed and maybe 7 day home quarantine for vaxxed. That’s hardly opening up.

jrfsp 2nd Jul 2021 03:24


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11071873)
Doesn’t seem much of an improvement. We are going further backwards with 50% caps for the rest of this year and “hope we are living in the second phase next year”. The second phase means unvaccinated caps back to today’s level, possible increase in vaccinated travel but still existing quarantine for unvaxxed and maybe 7 day home quarantine for vaxxed. That’s hardly opening up.

Even with home quarantine - its still not fun and really only those who need to travel or those taking extended leave will be going, no-one will be going to Bali for a week only to return to a week or two of home quarantine.

neville_nobody 2nd Jul 2021 03:32


As long as Covid doesn’t morph into something that can beat the vaccines, borders will be more or less completely open by this time next year. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re allowing those vaccinated to travel to certain countries with minimal iso on return by February or March.
Why do you believe that? I just can't see the impetus for anyone in government to do anything. The Feds are hamstrung by the States and the States are basically running their own countries now so why will they surrender that? There is no constitutional pressure, and the states can just keep on waivering any sort of rule of law by declaring emergencies. What's the circuit breaker to end this?

Foxxster 2nd Jul 2021 03:36


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11071874)
Even with home quarantine - its still not fun and really only those who need to travel or those taking extended leave will be going, no-one will be going to Bali for a week only to return to a week or two of home quarantine.

or there will be massive non compliance. Can you really see the 20 and 30 somethings actually complying completely with a weeks home detention. Uni students…etc…


Once we reach around 70% fully vaccinated, there should be NO measures like social distancing, QR codes, masks, lockdowns or ANY quarantine period for returning international travellers. That’s the whole point of a MASS vaccination program. Anything else and there will be bloody riots and I’ll be up the front.

as for fake certificates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...esearchers-say


and fake vaccines

https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le34979344.ece

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...bal-crime-wave

Troo believer 2nd Jul 2021 03:51


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11071877)
or there will be massive non compliance. Can you really see the 20 and 30 somethings actually complying completely with a weeks home detention. Uni students…etc…


Once we reach around 70% fully vaccinated, there should be NO measures like social distancing, QR codes, masks, lockdowns or ANY quarantine period for returning international travellers. That’s the whole point of a MASS vaccination program. Anything else and there will be bloody riots and I’ll be up the front.

as for fake certificates.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...esearchers-say


and fake vaccines

https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le34979344.ece

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...bal-crime-wave

Something positive and you talk it down with negatives that are just crap. Digital certificate embedded in your passport. Problem solved. Facial recognition scan. Problem solved. Government encrypted app. Problem solved.


Torukmacto 2nd Jul 2021 04:07

Get enough vaccinated and no need for health passports , facial recognition , hotel quarantine, home quarantine , daily updates on coronavirus or lockdowns and border control .
It gets called a common virus and we forget about it .

Foxxster 2nd Jul 2021 04:07


Originally Posted by Troo believer (Post 11071880)
Something positive and you talk it down with negatives that are just crap. Digital certificate embedded in your passport. Problem solved. Facial recognition scan. Problem solved. Government encrypted app. Problem solved.


you should get onto the FBI and international customs departments. I’m sure they will value your input and you easily, cough cough implemented ideas. After all seeing as they are so easy, they have already been implemented world wide so there are actually no fake certificates now and nobody using them and getting caught.

and as I said, once we get to around 70% vaccinated there should be NO NEED FOR ANY MEASURES.

ScepticalOptomist 2nd Jul 2021 07:07


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11071851)
So how do you stop people coming to Australia with fake Vaccinnation certificates ? Unlikely for borders to open before 2025.

I believe you have missed the point completely.

SOPS 2nd Jul 2021 08:11

So this magic 30000 number of Australians wanting to get home has popped again today.

The new international arrival cap is 3035 people a week. So in around 10 weeks, all Australians that want, should be home, right?

Lead Balloon 2nd Jul 2021 08:22

You'd like to think so, but nah.

Most of the 30,000 are nobodies like us.

Most of the 3,035 will, in contrast, be special people. Some are going for their Platinum Frequent Quarantiner membership.

Keg 2nd Jul 2021 08:41


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11071876)
Why do you believe that? I just can't see the impetus for anyone in government to do anything. The Feds are hamstrung by the States and the States are basically running their own countries now so why will they surrender that? There is no constitutional pressure, and the states can just keep on waivering any sort of rule of law by declaring emergencies. What's the circuit breaker to end this?

The circuit breaker will be significantly decreased sickness and hospitalisation overseas from Delta Covid. The circuit breaker will be a population that is 80%+ vaccinated by Christmas this year demanding to know why they can’t travel without onerous restrictions that the rest of the world doesn’t have to deal with. The Australian public have been pretty resilient and patient waiting for the ‘way out’ (vaccines). Once that arrives the patience will start to dissipate as quickly as the virus.

aviation_enthus 2nd Jul 2021 10:31


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11071954)
So this magic 30000 number of Australians wanting to get home has popped again today.

The new international arrival cap is 3035 people a week. So in around 10 weeks, all Australians that want, should be home, right?

Nope!! Congrats on figuring out the basic maths, but what you keep missing is the “30,000” is not static.

Pre-COVID there was upto 1 Million Aussies living and working overseas. Combine that with the fact 1/3rd of Australians were born overseas, means there’s a never ending amount of people with a need to get back.

I’m overseas and not included in that 30,000 along with dozens of other Aussies I know. So what happens later this year or early next when we all decide to come back?

(For any reason by the way, why people travel is none of your business to be honest! I’m an Aussie citizen, access to my own country eventually would be nice “mate”)

Lead Balloon 2nd Jul 2021 10:40

What is the continuous period (up until now) you've been stuck overseas, aviation enthus?

aviation_enthus 2nd Jul 2021 11:07


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11072025)
What is the continuous period (up until now) you've been stuck overseas, aviation enthus?

Define “stuck”. I’m lucky to still have a job, a visa and a house to live in. Over the past 18 months I’ve encountered plenty of people that had massive problems returning home due to the border restrictions.

Haven’t visited Australia on holidays since mid 2019. Given the current issues around travel and the border, I don’t expect to visit again until mid next year. So that’ll be about 3 years by then. That’s longer than normal, as an expat you anticipate being able to head home once a year.

Currently working overseas, but like many it’s not a permanent decision, we will come back. Australia is our country. Our home.

Probably 99% of the Aussies I’ve spoken to in the last 18 months are pissed off about the way they’ve been treated by their own country. Plus it’s ironic that Australia thinks it’s the “envy of the world” with their pandemic management. I can tell you with a straight face that’s a load of BS. The rest of the world is laughing at us!!

ozbiggles 2nd Jul 2021 12:39


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11072038)
Define “stuck”. I’m lucky to still have a job, a visa and a house to live in. Over the past 18 months I’ve encountered plenty of people that had massive problems returning home due to the border restrictions.

Haven’t visited Australia on holidays since mid 2019. Given the current issues around travel and the border, I don’t expect to visit again until mid next year. So that’ll be about 3 years by then. That’s longer than normal, as an expat you anticipate being able to head home once a year.

Currently working overseas, but like many it’s not a permanent decision, we will come back. Australia is our country. Our home.

Probably 99% of the Aussies I’ve spoken to in the last 18 months are pissed off about the way they’ve been treated by their own country. Plus it’s ironic that Australia thinks it’s the “envy of the world” with their pandemic management. I can tell you with a straight face that’s a load of BS. The rest of the world is laughing at us!!

I'd suggest to you the relatives of the 128, 000 dead UK citizens from Covid aren't laughing....

aviation_enthus 2nd Jul 2021 14:02

Aaaannnddd there it is….
 

Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 11072070)
I'd suggest to you the relatives of the 128, 000 dead UK citizens from Covid aren't laughing....

No I’m sure they aren’t. And I’m also glad that elderly relatives have largely been saved back home.

However….

You misunderstood why they are laughing. It’s the lack of care and respect for their own citizens both inside and outside of Australia. COVID can be tackled will still showing some care for you own citizens….

- only country ON EARTH to threaten jail time for citizens trying to come home

- look at the fiasco around Christmas/NYE when Victorians were locked out of returning to their own homes

- the multiple times QLD has denied access for people from NSW to access hospitals in SEQLD

That’s just a few off the top of my head that regularly come up in conversation.

Now Australia is an island. So a strategy that plays to that strength is great. By all means have quarantine on arrival, even user pays after the first few months.

But the way Australian citizens are treated is what they’re laughing at mate. What are we loosing in the name of “health advice”…??

GA F15 2nd Jul 2021 19:45


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 11072070)
I'd suggest to you the relatives of the 128, 000 dead UK citizens from Covid aren't laughing....

What annoys me is the way the Aussies look at death rates and claim victory over the Poms like it’s the ashes!
Yes they did well by locking down hard and fast, but they never seem to acknowledge the luck that geography and population density differences provided. Apples and Oranges.

Jetsbest 2nd Jul 2021 20:50


What annoys me is the way the Aussies look at death rates and claim victory over the Poms like it’s the ashes!
It may appear that way but remember, all politics is ‘local’. I can’t comment for all Aussies… (as ‘average’ as I am) but I don’t think most gloat in that way.

Media & politicians are all pandering to the click-bait / re-election motivators; sad & frustrating to many.🙄


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