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KRviator 17th Oct 2021 00:28


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11127710)
Can you perhaps point one out that offers Medivac to Oz in the case you come down with Covid because that's what you'll need for Bali.

10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...

43Inches 17th Oct 2021 01:27


10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...
Be very careful about this statement in the PDS in regard to travel alerts/warnings;


But please note, other terms, conditions, limits and exclusions continue to apply, including (for example) the exclusions set out in section 2.1.2 below and the General Exclusion concerning Travel alerts and other warnings (see page 64 in the General Exclusions section). That means, you will not be covered if you or your travel companion contracted the epidemic or pandemic sickness when you had travelled against an advice or warning by an Australian government and did not take appropriate action to avoid contracting the sickness (for example by delaying travel to the country or part of the country referred to in the warning).
Current advice for travel to USA (travel ban not withsatanding);

We continue to advise:

Do not travel to the United States of America, including Alaska, Puerto Rico and the Hawaiian Islands due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
Germany;


We continue to advise:

Do not travel to Germany due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
UK;


We continue to advise:

Do not travel to the United Kingdom due to the health risks from the COVID-19 pandemic and the significant disruptions to global travel.
Again the fine print will catch you. Make sure the travel advice says there are no pandemic health risks (level 1 and level 2 with some caveats). I can't see them dropping the Covid health risks warning for some time in those countries.

ScepticalOptomist 17th Oct 2021 03:08


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11127728)
Be very careful about this statement in the PDS in regard to travel alerts/warnings;



Current advice for travel to USA (travel ban not withsatanding);

Germany;



UK;



Again the fine print will catch you. Make sure the travel advice says there are no pandemic health risks (level 1 and level 2 with some caveats). I can't see them dropping the Covid health risks warning for some time in those countries.

Which will of course change as soon as the border is open.

Icarus2001 17th Oct 2021 03:42

So as I said travel insurance is readily available.
Of course there will be COVID exemptions.
Just as there are for motorcycle accidents by unlicensed riders in Bali.
Never seems to stop anyone.

WingNut60 17th Oct 2021 03:47


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11127718)
10 seconds with Google shows Allianz appears to cover you, if you are diagnosed with Covid including a medevac back to Australia. Page 28 of their PDS refers, however they won't cover changed travel plans, etc, you must have taken sufficient precautions etc...

Worth having a look at:

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/our...guide-covid-19
Smart Traveller - Covid


If you're still that keen to get to Bali or wherever then go for it.
Let me know how you get on.


SHVC 17th Oct 2021 04:20


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11127704)
Right now Sydney case numbers are low because testing is so low. 69k tests yesterday, it was 150k a day a week or so ago. Give it a few weeks and the case rate will shoot up considerably. Hopefully hospital rates stay low.


Thats not entirely correct, before DP eased the restriction there was still 110k + test a day and the numbers were still falling, lord daddy tried to suggest that NSW numbers were falling because of reduced testing even at the time he did say that testing was still 110k.

What we need to do in order to move on and live as covid normal as possible is stop looking or even reporting positive cases that is not important anymore. What is important and is still on a downward trend because no matter how many test are conducted you can’t change these numbers without high vaccination is the ICU, ventilator and hospitalization cases and NSW is still trending down with these no matter what you or any other state gov want to say about it.

Ladloy 17th Oct 2021 05:20


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11127756)
Thats not entirely correct, before DP eased the restriction there was still 110k + test a day and the numbers were still falling, lord daddy tried to suggest that NSW numbers were falling because of reduced testing even at the time he did say that testing was still 110k.

What we need to do in order to move on and live as covid normal as possible is stop looking or even reporting positive cases that is not important anymore. What is important and is still on a downward trend because no matter how many test are conducted you can’t change these numbers without high vaccination is the ICU, ventilator and hospitalization cases and NSW is still trending down with these no matter what you or any other state gov want to say about it.

While I agree, Sydney vaccination rates are great, sure, but the rest of NSW is still lagging behind. This is partly because their supply has been diverted and now it's ripping through regional areas. So high testing is required for tracing as that will still be required for the short term future, as outlined in the modelling every state is using to go back to 'normal'

KRviator 17th Oct 2021 05:39


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11127750)
Worth having a look at:

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/our...guide-covid-19
Smart Traveller - Covid


If you're still that keen to get to Bali or wherever then go for it.
Let me know how you get on.

Who said anything about me wanting to go to Bali - you're the one who couldn't be asred spending even a few seconds on Google even trying to present a rebuttal to your claim about the availability of travel insurance or the thereof. Personally, I can't think of anywhere I'd be less inclined to visit, if I wanted to socialize with bogans and their screaming kids, I'd go to Rockingham, and I don't need a passport to get there. Yet...

WingNut60 17th Oct 2021 05:52


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11127766)
Who said anything about me wanting to go to Bali - you're the one who couldn't be asred spending even a few seconds on Google even trying to present a rebuttal to your claim about the availability of travel insurance or the thereof. Personally, I can't think of anywhere I'd be less inclined to visit, if I wanted to socialize with bogans and their screaming kids, I'd go to Rockingham, and I don't need a passport to get there. Yet...

I didn't say "to Bali."
I said "to Bali or wherever..............."

There is a difference.

The rebuttal is in the two links I gave.

Keg 17th Oct 2021 12:45


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11127704)
Right now Sydney case numbers are low because testing is so low. 69k tests yesterday, it was 150k a day a week or so ago. Give it a few weeks and the case rate will shoot up considerably. Hopefully hospital rates stay low.

The rate of positive tests in NSW has remained relatively stable over the last week or so and continues to sit around the 0.5% mark. Compare that with Victoria which is still in the 2% range and has been for quite some time.

krismiler 18th Oct 2021 01:43

My travel insurance was due to auto renew last year, and COVID was specifically excluded from the coverage in the new policy. As this was no good to me and I wasn't travelling anyway, I let it lapse and have saved 18 months of premiums so far. With borders gradually opening up, I'll be looking for another policy soon but might start off with single trip rather than annual until things settle down a bit. Some countries want a policy specifically for COVID and a general one might not meet the local requirements.

I go SCUBA diving and have a special policy for this activity as it normally comes under general exclusions in normal travel insurance. It's not worth trying to get it added onto a normal policy and I find a specialised insurer to be much better.

COVID is serious for unvaccinated senior citizens with underlying health conditions, but these people have expensive premiums and don't travel very much anyway. For fully vaccinated under 60s in normal health, the extra cost should be minimal. No doubt the insurers have their actuaries crunching numbers as we speak and suitable policies with terms and conditions will be available soon.

KRviator 18th Oct 2021 03:09

So, Queensland has finally publicized their roadmap to the border reopening, with dates included.

Queensland border details revealed

At 70 per cent of full vaccination, expected on November 19, fully vaccinated people will be able to enter the state by air, if they have a negative test in the 72 hours beforehand and complete home quarantine for 14 days after arriving.

At 80 per cent, expected on December 17, fully vaccinated people will be allowed in via road or air, as long as they test negative 72 hours beforehand. They will not be required to complete a quarantine period.

Queensland Minister for Health Yvette D’Ath said the December 17 deadline meant the latest people could get vaccinated was six weeks before then to ensure they made the cut-off. Source
Meanwhile, in Wes-Tyrannical Australia:

WA government refuses to release COVID modelling guiding extended border closure decision

The West Australian government is refusing to release the COVID-19 modelling guiding its decision to keep borders closed and coronavirus out for months longer than the rest of Australia. Modelling undertaken by the Department of Health, including scenario planning for what WA might look like once COVID is allowed in, has been supplied to Premier Mark McGowan and Health Minister Roger Cook.

However, a Freedom of Information request to view the reports, lodged by WAtoday in August, was refused under a clause which permits a document provided to an executive body such as cabinet to be kept secret. The documents detail how WA would respond to an outbreak and its future options for managing COVID hospitalisations based on vaccination rates.

A spokeswoman for Mr McGowan’s office did not directly respond to why the government was keeping the state’s modelling under wraps. “It’s important to note that as our experts learn more about the Delta variant and its impact, particularly over east now as communities begin to come out of lockdown, modelling continues to be assessed and updated accordingly,” she said. “When policy decisions are made, the WA government has consistently provided the WA public with the evidence that backs up those decisions.” WA’s hospitals are already in crisis 18 months into the pandemic, even without COVID circulating in the community.

Hospital bed reports obtained by WAtoday for the last week of August showed Perth’s three main hospitals – Royal Perth Hospital, Sir Charles Gardiner Hospital and Fiona Stanley – were full or over capacity most days, with patients waiting hours in the emergency department to be seen and staff shortages plaguing service. The pressure has forced the indefinite cancellation of elective surgeries to free up beds.

Mr McGowan has previously indicated WA was aiming to achieve a jab rate between 80 and 90 per cent for those aged 16 and above, and would open the borders six to eight weeks after that point – likely around February or March. Source

ChrisJ800 18th Oct 2021 03:36

I tried making a travel insurance medical claim 2 years ago (annual global cover) when I had a skin cancer removed in Asia and gave up trying to get the money out of the insurers as they kept on requiring more and more proof and doctor letters, not just from Asia but from my GP here in Oz despite me being a year away in Asia. I hope my basic American express insurance will cover me here on in. Not getting any more global cover.

I have three anti vaxer acquaintances in Asia, one just passed away and the other very crook, and another recovered after 2 months but still with long covid symptoms . I will be heading to Philippines early next year fully vaxed, fingers crossed.

Ladloy 18th Oct 2021 08:02

Qld roadmap outlines an opening a week before Christmas. Tasmania 90%, WA outlining 80 to 90%. Covid normal here we come.

SHVC 18th Oct 2021 23:48

So, who or what has changed Anna stay away to Anna come my way?! Watching her this morning and she thinks what she has done and said in the past is all forgotten. She even went as far as saying there will be no more border closures to domestic travel.

Lord Daddy will have to lock out QLD now.

Icarus2001 18th Oct 2021 23:53

So we can visit Queensland, great.

Are their hospitals still only for Queenslanders?

KRviator 19th Oct 2021 00:37


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11128696)
So, who or what has changed Anna stay away to Anna come my way?! Watching her this morning and she thinks what she has done and said in the past is all forgotten. She even went as far as saying there will be no more border closures to domestic travel.

Lord Daddy will have to lock out QLD now.


Originally Posted by The ABC
Today's changes also permit Canberrans to travel to Greater Sydney from November 1 without the need to quarantine when they return, ending confusion over ongoing border arrangements between the two jurisdictions.

"Subject to the public health risk at the time, the ACT will remove the COVID-Affected Area declaration across NSW from 1 November," Mr Barr said. "This means that ACT residents will not have quarantine when they return to the territory from any part of NSW — including Greater Sydney. Source

Don't forget the ACT - afterall, if those filthy, infected NSWelshmen can freely travel to the ACT, then they cannot, under any circumstances, be allowed to use the ACT as a jumping-off point to get into WA. The way their State Daddy is carrying on, WA will be forced to lock out every state in Australia from around mid-December, if SA, the NT and Tasmania reopen too.

Originally Posted by 9 News
As South Australia looks towards reopening to the eastern states at the end of the year, the decision could see its border close in the west.

SA Premier Steven Marshall has previously said the state would shift from statewide border restrictions to locking out localised areas once COVID-19 vaccination rates reach 80 per cent.BHP’s September-quarter output dips on maintenance, train driver shortages

In response to that stance, WA Premier Mark McGowan said on Tuesday that he would wait and see what happened but would close the WA-SA border if necessary. "Obviously if South Australia then has community spread of the virus, they may regret that decision," he said. "And if they do, well obviously we'd take health advice, but most likely we would close to that jurisdiction." Source

EDIT: and following on from Rio Tinto announcing a major downgrade to their production outlook BHP has now followed suit - and guess what they mentioned? A shortage of Train Driver's - just as I'd put forward here two days ago - because there are nowhere near enough WA-based FIFO Driver's for the Pilbara operators, all 4 rely on interstate blokes, and it would appear I'm not the only one that has told their employer that I'll be back when the borders reopen...:ugh:

BHP’s September-quarter output dips on maintenance, train driver shortages - it's a paywall at The West, but you get the idea...

Dannyboy39 20th Oct 2021 04:38

It seems to be a question thrown at every country at this point, and it remains relevant here.

Theoretical scenario: I could live with a mate who has an Australian passport (I’m British). We could work in the same office, drive the same car, get the same public transport, go to the same bars and restaurants and the same stadiums. We are both fully vaccinated for months in what is a waning immunity after 6 months.

Come Nov 1, he is accepted across the Australian border yet I am not. Why is that? Is it about a virus?

ChrisJ800 20th Oct 2021 05:15


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11129284)
It seems to be a question thrown at every country at this point, and it remains relevant here.

Theoretical scenario: I could live with a mate who has an Australian passport (I’m British). We could work in the same office, drive the same car, get the same public transport, go to the same bars and restaurants and the same stadiums. We are both fully vaccinated for months in what is a waning immunity after 6 months.

Come Nov 1, he is accepted across the Australian border yet I am not. Why is that? Is it about a virus?

Yes its because of the virus. There are around 50,000 Australians trying to get home for over 18 months who have priority. Im sure by Christmas or early next year borders will fully open to you. We are behind Europe for vaccination rates as was not helped by EEC blocking supply and government incompetence.

Dannyboy39 20th Oct 2021 05:31


Originally Posted by ChrisJ800 (Post 11129288)
Yes its because of the virus. There are around 50,000 Australians trying to get home for over 18 months who have priority. Im sure by Christmas or early next year borders will fully open to you. We are behind Europe for vaccination rates as was not helped by EEC blocking supply and government incompetence.

So an Australian is less likely to be infected than a British person who has access to the same locations? Covid doesn’t look at the colour of your passport.


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