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Foxxster 18th Aug 2021 22:23


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11097212)
None of the state of NSW is in 'lockdown'. The Local Government Areas in Sydney in which most of the cases are arising are not in 'lockdown'.

When the areas in Sydney in which most of the cases are arising are actually 'locked down', NSW will move from half-arsed to fully-arsed. The difficulty with going fully-arsed in those areas is that many of the residents are not used to and are not inclined to do what they've been told by the 'authorities'.

The same does not apply to much of the rest of NSW.


and they are of a group that is very vocal and quick to shout racist. And they are a group fully supported by the leftist agitators. That is why they are not property locked down.

when 550 out of 630 cases are in their area. And then same proportion of cases has been repeated for the last 6 or 7 weeks then it becomes a very expensive sick joke on the premier. Too scared of being called racist. How pathetic.

43Inches 18th Aug 2021 22:36

To bring some sanity back to this argument;

The Western suburbs are just indicative of how and where communicable diseases best spread. Low socioeconomic areas with large family groups, hence why I said last year that Sydney was just lucky they got away with opening when Melbourne got it bad. Last year it was Melbourne that got it in the Western suburb groups and it spread among large family/school group areas. This year in Sydney and Melbourne is no different. Northern suburbs Sydney outbreak, rich people, small families, low population density, little social interaction. Easy to contact trace. Western suburbs, poorer families, more casual floating workforce, large families that congregate to assist and help each other out, large religious gatherings and following of all faiths (not just one particular faith). More dense and interactive population. Lower education levels also leads to mistrust of the system so can be hard to have any control over, especially rules about not visiting family etc.

I remember a few years back driving with a friend around town, next thing surrounded by all these colored folk in gowns and head-dress, friend turns and seriously asks. "Are you worried living among all these Muslims?", I responded "Dude these are Sikhs".

I don't know what Gladys has done other than single out certain shires. Dan got in early with community leaders and the like even donating funds to some local ethnic youth groups to help spread the message in those areas, he's also been keen to keep the focus on the virus and not particular suburbs or cultures.

Turnleft080 18th Aug 2021 23:33

Melbourne figures out. 57 cases, 44 in iso, leaving 13 in the community which is the danger figure. Funny how Vic gov like to leak this stuff around 0830am, and NSW go all out bang at 1100am. Days of our lives stuff.

SHVC 18th Aug 2021 23:36

Borders will not be opening anytime soon, Victoria 59% increase today and appears to be trending upwards. NSW finds itself in almost the same position as Victoria this time last yr, except Victoria numbers started to drop, NSW is yet to peak epidemiologist said this morning NSW will peak by 30% each incubation period. Going off that restrictions are not expected to ease until January 2022 and travel domestically March 2022. Last Airline standing will be????

Turnleft080 18th Aug 2021 23:54


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11097601)
Borders will not be opening anytime soon, Victoria 59% increase today and appears to be trending upwards. NSW finds itself in almost the same position as Victoria this time last yr, except Victoria numbers started to drop, NSW is yet to peak epidemiologist said this morning NSW will peak by 30% each incubation period. Going off that restrictions are not expected to ease until January 2022 and travel domestically March 2022. Last Airline standing will be????

If they brought down these ridiculous numbers of 70/80% down to 60/70% then all airlines would be fully ramped up, right on the Christmas period and they can book with confidence this time.

layman 18th Aug 2021 23:55

Vaccination rates to reach 95%???
 
Just looking at reported vaccination rates, more than 95% in the 70+ age group in the ACT have received at least one dose (83+% Australia wide).

95% of ACT 70+ year olds should be double-dosed by mid-November.

Ever the optimist, why can’t all age groups reach a 95% vaccination rate?

Supply & the ability to deliver being the main limitations ... assuming we can get past ‘vaccine hesitancy’

43Inches 19th Aug 2021 00:04

Much easier to prove, to persuade a person in the age range that gets hit by 20-50% mortality rates that vaccinating is in their interest. As you can see reading back the main issue is the younger folk believing it's like the flu, until they get it and then somehow changing their tune, add to that some well placed conspiracies and bad media.

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 00:05


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11097604)
Just looking at reported vaccination rates, more than 95% in the 70+ age group in the ACT have received at least one dose (83+% Australia wide).

95% of ACT 70+ year olds should be double-dosed by mid-November.

Ever the optimist, why can’t all age groups reach a 95% vaccination rate?

Supply & the ability to deliver being the main limitations ... assuming we can get past ‘vaccine hesitancy’

a large cohort who do not want to get vaccinated are females of childbearing age. And more generally the young who the virus doesn’t effect as much as the elderly. While the overall US % was nearing 70% fully vaccinated, the younger age group was only 44%. And remember their experience has been a hell of a lot worse than ours in terms of deaths per million. So as our actions are heavily shaped by our own lived experience, it may be even more difficult to get our younger age groups up to the required 70% , 80%+

minigundiplomat 19th Aug 2021 00:26


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097551)
and done a wonderful smear job on AstraZeneca purely for political purposes. She and her health nutter knew full well the weakness of the federal libs especially Morrison was the lack of Pfizer. But there was plenty of AstraZeneca. So we get the chook making up bullshit stories so she can get Pfizer and the quack doing a hatchet job on AstraZeneca not once but twice. Keeping Queensland safe. I think not.

anyone who thinks the lockdowns are about anything but the politics needs to buy some magic beans next time they’re at the market. Listen to Chairman Dan, McGoose and Queen P at their pressers, and listen to how many times they reference NSW - over and over again. They see the lack of Pfizer and situation in NSW as political capital and hammer it every day. That’s why you’re locked dow or locked up.

Ladloy 19th Aug 2021 00:33


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11097613)
anyone who thinks the lockdowns are about anything but the politics needs to buy some magic beans next time they’re at the market. Listen to Chairman Dan, McGoose and Queen P at their pressers, and listen to how many times they reference NSW - over and over again. They see the lack of Pfizer and situation in NSW as political capital and hammer it every day. That’s why you’re locked dow or locked up.

Maybe if Gladys didn't play politics to begin with we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we've spread delta across to NZ. It's easy to reference NSW when they have single-handedly ****** two nations.

galdian 19th Aug 2021 00:33

So accept the virus has a greater impact on different age groups and target appropriately.

70+...95% 60-70...80% 40-60...66% below 40...50%....................or similar.

Hopefully the targets would be well exceeded, the minority who choose not to/desire not to be vaccinated should be of no concern.

ruprecht 19th Aug 2021 00:58


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11097614)
Maybe if Gladys didn't play politics to begin with we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we've spread delta across to NZ. It's easy to reference NSW when they have single-handedly ****** two nations.

NZ cases are an issue for NZ quarantine, unless NSW is launching infected bodies over by catapult.

Agent_86 19th Aug 2021 01:02

681 in SYD today...

SOPS 19th Aug 2021 01:07


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11097620)
681 in SYD today...

Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

PoppaJo 19th Aug 2021 01:14


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097621)
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

The writing has been on the wall for a good month now.

KRviator 19th Aug 2021 01:16


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097621)
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.

You lot voted for him. Overwhelmingly. You reap what you sow...

Scooter Rassmussin 19th Aug 2021 01:21

you have more hope getting to WA via India, they refuse to book locals into Hotel Quarantine even at your own expense .

Chris2303 19th Aug 2021 01:34


Originally Posted by Agent_86 (Post 11097620)
681 in SYD today...

21 in AKL as at 1300NZST

Foxxster 19th Aug 2021 01:36


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11097630)
21 in AKL as at 1300NZST


that escalated quickly.

Chris2303 19th Aug 2021 01:38


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097631)
that escalated quickly.

And likely to be more during the day


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