PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific-90/)
-   -   All borders to reopen. (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific/632861-all-borders-reopen.html)

Turnleft080 18th Aug 2021 05:02


Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 11097052)
Turban,

Like I said, get rid of the testing and the lockdowns and lets see how bad this 'virus' really is.

Every day, I watch the media conferences. The fear campaign is incredible.

Plus the higher the cases per day, the more fear they will express. Gladys and Chant almost look like they are about to have a heart attack. Would be interesting to check their blood pressure during the conference. You are ruining my chances of re-election. That's what happens when you run with the science solutions with having total disrespect for common sense ones. To put that another way, we need to live with the planet not against it.

ruprecht 18th Aug 2021 05:11


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11097054)
If you know anyone from WA that is currently in NSW and they want to
go home.. tell them to leave today.

I am pretty sure that the border will be shut to everyone from NSW as from tomorrow. No exceptions. Nil, nada, no way. And unless The Golden Girl can get the cases down, it could remain like that for the rest of the year.

I don’t want to know how you think this is a good/ bad/ terrible idea. I’m just warning people what I am pretty sure is about to happen.

So WA is going “Full McGowan”?

compressor stall 18th Aug 2021 05:17

Talk of banning everybody except those who they constitutionally cannot.

43Inches 18th Aug 2021 05:22

I would not be surprised if McGowan pushes to secede from Australia shortly, and I'm not joking.

They tried once before in 1933, got the votes but then lost power.

Capn Rex Havoc 18th Aug 2021 06:02

43 In

Now suicide rate might be stable but yeah there might be 50% are due to lockdown.
I saw a psychologist on the abc news last night who was saying that the suicide rate in teenagers has skyrocketed. The statistics she provided eclipses the "deaths" due Covid. She also said she is now seeing small children who are self harming due to the lockdown measures and home schooling.

43Inches 18th Aug 2021 06:25

https://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au...May%202021.pdf

You can read for yourself, no real change in stats or skyrocketing in any particular age group. That's victoria alone though.

MickG0105 18th Aug 2021 06:33


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11097082)
43 In
I saw a psychologist on the abc news last night who was saying that the suicide rate in teenagers has skyrocketed. The statistics she provided eclipses the "deaths" due Covid. She also said she is now seeing small children who are self harming due to the lockdown measures and home schooling.

Do you have a name for that psychologist or any details on the statistics she quoted?

Foxxster 18th Aug 2021 06:37


Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 11097066)
Its not about the facts anymore, its about identity politics !

SAD


nobody will say it.

but look at where the cases are. South west Sydney predominantly and also western Sydney.

you want to know why Gladys won’t do a proper lockdown there, Because she is afraid of being called racist. Yep. Afraid of being called racist by the kind of people who have just taken over in Afghanistan. There are hundreds of them in that part of Sydney. More like thousands. We saw them at their finest a few years ato at that protest in the centre of Sydney where they had their five year old children hold up signs saying behead all infidels. Did anyone really think they are going to worry about lockdown laws.But everyday we get Gladys at her press conference saying pretty please stay at home if you live in that area. Pwease. For gods sake.

43Inches 18th Aug 2021 06:39

And that's the simple reason Dan just locks down the whole city or whole state, the suburb thing is a minefield of opinions.

Paragraph377 18th Aug 2021 06:51


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11097087)
Do you have a name for that psychologist or any details on the statistics she quoted?

Mick, try googling the information. You seem to be proactive at googling statements or reports that support your premise that everything isnít that bad. You are always on here saying how well the economy is going and how things are better than they seem. I call bollocks. There are countless economists online discussing how many businesses are failing. There are equally as many psychologists mentioning how counselling services are out of control. There are countless medical experts telling us that lockdowns are causing people to cancel doctors visits and things like cancer are going undiagnosed. Sure, online shopping, camper van and caravan sales and vehicle sales have skyrocketed. But ask the tourism operators and businesses, the taxi and transport industry and the hotel/motel industry how things are going and itís a different story. Our economy has been broken in half. We have now been saddled with decades more debt. Using rigged stock market prices and inflated house prices as a measure of a strong economy is an absolute false reading.





WYOMINGPILOT 18th Aug 2021 07:05

All borders to reopen.” I think somebody missed that memo.

43Inches 18th Aug 2021 07:05

The hallmark of a capitalist economy is simply survival of the fittest, regardless of the situation. There is no such thing as a normal economy, it changes like life itself, a business this year might be gone next year depending on what it specialises in and demand dictates.

Business failure is just part of the process, sounds harsh, but hence the term "that's business".

Covid is just a blip or hurdle to make business adapt, could be this is the new normal and we are seeing the extinction level event for face to face companies that has been coming since the internet spawned. The measure of a countries economic output is its GDP, so if that is not changing much, business is coping or adapting enough. I provided the bankruptcy stats for 2019 a while back, was easy to see that the stats were down for 2020/21, why, a bad business loses more cash when its operating in harsh competition, than when its hibernating. The good businesses have "pivoted " to online and takeaway. Yeah general revenue is down across the board, but this ain't no depression, and when things do open up, people will spend their arses off. That's also why there has been no mass layoffs apart from aviation and tourism.

Gnadenburg 18th Aug 2021 07:23

This isn't a blip. It's crushing in its inconsistency for business. It is more like a military occupation. This would be more apparent if Australia was not insulated in a number of ways.

MickG0105 18th Aug 2021 08:12


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11097097)
Mick, try googling the information.

That's my first recourse. I found nothing, hence the question to the Capn.


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11097097)
You seem to be proactive at googling statements or reports that support your premise ...

Yes, using readily accessible verified data to support an argument or contention ... what a novel approach!


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11097097)
You are always on here saying how well the economy is going and how things are better than they seem.

Am I? Always on here saying how well the economy is going? Near as I can tell I haven't said boo about the performance of the Australian economy since the 7th and that was simply to state the facts that while the Australian economy shrank in 2020, by Q1-21 the economy had recovered such that it was larger than in Q4-19.

And when have I ever said 'things are better than they seem'? I generally look to quote data - it is what it is.

Separately there was our exchange relating to inflation here, in the US and Europe. You might recall that exchange was where you posted a link to an article that contradicted the point you were trying to make.

Ninthace 18th Aug 2021 08:22


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11096620)
So many people putting trust in the Prime Minister and Premiers comments that once this magical number of 70 to 80% vaccination is reached, it will be freedom all around! Really? Show me the evidence. Show me the accurate data to prove that this will be the case, that 80% will do the trick. Not 81% and not 89.6% but 80% apparently. Show me the risk modelling factoring in known and latent risks.!

You might want to look at the UK data. Over 75% double jabbed, going on for 90% single jabbed, around 25k positive tests per day yet hospital admissions and deaths are low. We are suffering but we are functioning with the aid of ongoing public health measures. Most of us still mask up in shops and such, clean our hands and so on. It is not ideal, but things are returning to some semblance of normal.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

machtuk 18th Aug 2021 08:24


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11097082)
43 In
I saw a psychologist on the abc news last night who was saying that the suicide rate in teenagers has skyrocketed. The statistics she provided eclipses the "deaths" due Covid. She also said she is now seeing small children who are self harming due to the lockdown measures and home schooling.

That's the hidden tragedy of all this BS! The younger ones will suffer & the grubby Govt couldn't care less as most don't vote! Remember grubby politicians face reelection so Its all about staying popular and in a cushy job!

Green.Dot 18th Aug 2021 08:30


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11097157)
You might want to look at the UK data. Over 75% double jabbed, going on for 90% single jabbed, around 25k positive tests per day yet hospital admissions and deaths are low. We are suffering but we are functioning with the aid of ongoing public health measures. Most of us still mask up in shops and such, clean our hands and so on. It is not ideal, but things are returning to some semblance of normal.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Yep. Get vaccinated.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8bbd98194.jpeg


SOPS 18th Aug 2021 08:58


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097090)
nobody will say it.

but look at where the cases are. South west Sydney predominantly and also western Sydney.

you want to know why Gladys wonít do a proper lockdown there, Because she is afraid of being called racist. Yep. Afraid of being called racist by the kind of people who have just taken over in Afghanistan. There are hundreds of them in that part of Sydney. More like thousands. We saw them at their finest a few years ato at that protest in the centre of Sydney where they had their five year old children hold up signs saying behead all infidels. Did anyone really think they are going to worry about lockdown laws.But everyday we get Gladys at her press conference saying pretty please stay at home if you live in that area. Pwease. For gods sake.

No one was brave enough to say it up to now. Foxxster has nailed it.

Lead Balloon 18th Aug 2021 09:30

It also happens to be the area in which the lion's share of drug money is laundered, and that's for the whole of Australia. People who distribute drugs as a vocation are generally unperturbed by minor irritations like laws.

Ladloy 18th Aug 2021 09:56


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11097090)
nobody will say it.

but look at where the cases are. South west Sydney predominantly and also western Sydney.

you want to know why Gladys wonít do a proper lockdown there, Because she is afraid of being called racist. Yep. Afraid of being called racist by the kind of people who have just taken over in Afghanistan. There are hundreds of them in that part of Sydney. More like thousands. We saw them at their finest a few years ato at that protest in the centre of Sydney where they had their five year old children hold up signs saying behead all infidels. Did anyone really think they are going to worry about lockdown laws.But everyday we get Gladys at her press conference saying pretty please stay at home if you live in that area. Pwease. For gods sake.

The whole state is in some sort of lockdown now. If she didn't want to he called racist she may as well blanket the harsher rules throughout the state. Racism theory doesn't add up.



All times are GMT. The time now is 23:17.


Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.