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AerialPerspective 10th Aug 2021 00:13


Originally Posted by Torukmacto (Post 11092642)
Singaporeís Goverment can tell the people of Singapore what is going to happen and thatís what happens . Better to compare to Australia to democracies like India , U.K. or America to see where we might be heading ? Being an island has delayed whatís coming thatís all .

Last time I checked, 'America' was a continent (two in fact), named for Amerigo Vespucci which contained several obvious non-democratic states. Perhaps the United States and Canada is what you meant????

Global Aviator 10th Aug 2021 00:18


Originally Posted by Torukmacto (Post 11092642)
Singaporeís Goverment can tell the people of Singapore what is going to happen and thatís what happens . Better to compare to Australia to democracies like India , U.K. or America to see where we might be heading ? Being an island has delayed whatís coming thatís all .

The below from lazy googling.

USA - 51%

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...racker-states/

UK - 68.5% to 76.9%

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ights/vaccines

Foxxster 10th Aug 2021 00:39

We have to remember that actions tend to be shaped by our own lived experience. And fortunately or perhaps unfortunately our experience of WuHu flu in Australia has been very different to most other countries. Look at the case and death rates per million population for countries like the uk or the us and compare them to Australia. It has only been due to the latest Sydney outbreak that our vaccination rates have really ramped up. If our politicians are talking about rates of 80%, good luck. Come back this time next year. Getting from 70 to 80% will be a very different story than getting from 40 to 50 or even 50 to 60. Fingers crossed I am wrong .

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Agent_86 10th Aug 2021 01:09

356 in NSW today and 3 deaths :eek:

PoppaJo 10th Aug 2021 01:12

It looks like the NSW border is done until Q1 next year. December could be challenging, nobody in and nobody out. Fatigue will start to bite as people will want out.

Andrews and McGowan wonít have a bar of it.

SHVC 10th Aug 2021 01:38

It’s scary now, last yr the nation was at the same position in relation to covid. Now, we have NSW that will be isolated for the foreseeable future, are company already knows this and has requested LWOP applications for SY base only. Thanks Gladys and you have the hide to be still saying this is a hard lockdown nothing more they could of done!

There is never accountability with these politicians 1 Billion a week is just a number.

Transition Layer 10th Aug 2021 03:22

I think itís truly wonderful that people like SOPS and WingNut60, neither of whom are working Pilots, like to come onto a Pilot forum and explain how awesome closed borders are and what a great man McClown is. WingNut tells us everything is fine because the approach to RW24 is busy. FFS! :rolleyes:

StudentInDebt 10th Aug 2021 03:26


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11092691)
I think itís truly wonderful that people like SOPS and WingNut60, neither of whom are working Pilots, like to come onto a Pilot forum and explain how awesome closed borders are and what a great man McClown is. WingNut tells us everything is fine because the approach to RW24 is busy. FFS! :rolleyes:

We also have non-working pilots telling us how bad they are for balance though :}

Xeptu 10th Aug 2021 03:51


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11092691)
I think itís truly wonderful that people like SOPS and WingNut60, neither of whom are working Pilots, like to come onto a Pilot forum and explain how awesome closed borders are and what a great man McClown is. WingNut tells us everything is fine because the approach to RW24 is busy. FFS! :rolleyes:

You say it like, closed, grounded, redundant is a new concept in Aviation.

SOPS 10th Aug 2021 05:24


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11092691)
I think itís truly wonderful that people like SOPS and WingNut60, neither of whom are working Pilots, like to come onto a Pilot forum and explain how awesome closed borders are and what a great man McClown is. WingNut tells us everything is fine because the approach to RW24 is busy. FFS! :rolleyes:

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For the record, I donít think closed borders are awesome. However, I have quite a few friends that are flying in WA every day and I do think thatís awesome. And while we can keep things under control they can keep flying.

in other news, it seems our friend in Ballina does not believe the virus exists.

blubak 10th Aug 2021 08:04


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092721)
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For the record, I donít think closed borders are awesome. However, I have quite a few friends that are flying in WA every day and I do think thatís awesome. And while we can keep things under control they can keep flying.

in other news, it seems our friend in Ballina does not believe the virus exists.

I wonder what he thinks he has got if his belief is the virus doesnt exist,he obviously cares a lot for his wife too if the story about her being in a syd hospital with covid is correct.
I guess it will never happen in nsw from the way gladys talks but maybe a curfew is what is needed.
If the numbers continue to show there are many out in the community every day infected with the virus it seems to me the only way to stop the spread is to stop people moving around as they are,guess im stating the obvious there.

blubak 10th Aug 2021 08:09


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11092660)
It looks like the NSW border is done until Q1 next year. December could be challenging, nobody in and nobody out. Fatigue will start to bite as people will want out.

Andrews and McGowan wonít have a bar of it.

I dont think its just those 2 that wont have a bar of it,its possible none of the others will have a bar of it.
If all the other states can keep clean there is a good chance of travel between most states except nsw of course,hopefully this will happen & get people flying again soon.

machtuk 10th Aug 2021 11:20

As long as the fear out there remains high in the community the hopes & dreams of millions will be kept squashed by the lunatics in charge!

SOPS 10th Aug 2021 13:23

Well you don’t have to worry. Clive Palmer is now taking out Court Procedures to stop the roll out of vaccines in WA. Im not sure why.. but if this goes ahead (which I’m sure it won’t), but if it did .. we will have to put up a wall of steel to all of the East Coast.

I would love to know what planet Clive lives on.. or what he smokes.

Icarus2001 10th Aug 2021 14:15


but if it did .. we will have to put up a wall of steel to all of the East Coast.
Or not. We could actually do something different, you know like Europe, the UK, USA.

601 10th Aug 2021 14:20


WA's budget has been kept afloat by record iron ore prices, nothing more. I can only wonder what their response would have been if the spot price was back in 2016 levels, below $50 a tonne...
I didn't know that the WA Govt was paid for the iron ore that was sold. Silly me thought that they got royalties $/ton or am I mistaken.

WingNut60 10th Aug 2021 14:56


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11093052)
I didn't know that the WA Govt was paid for the iron ore that was sold. Silly me thought that they got royalties $/ton or am I mistaken.

Correct, but volumes are certainly up on the back of the higher prices.

Actually getting some of our GST back has been pretty handy too.

Climb150 10th Aug 2021 18:04


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11093067)
Correct, but volumes are certainly up on the back of the higher prices.

Actually getting some of our GST back has been pretty handy too.

GST has nothing to do with mining royalties.

WingNut60 10th Aug 2021 21:18


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 11093157)
GST has nothing to do with mining royalties.

I don't remember saying that it had.

The context was the source of WA's relative prosperity at the moment.

WA's budget has been kept afloat by record iron ore prices, nothing more.
It's not all coming from mining royalties.

MickG0105 10th Aug 2021 23:29


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11093052)
I didn't know that the WA Govt was paid for the iron ore that was sold. Silly me thought that they got royalties $/ton or am I mistaken.

Yes, in this case you are mistaken. Royalties on iron ore exports are levied largely on an ad valorem basis, that is as a percentage of the commodity price index value per tonne that is re-calculated on a regular basis (six monthly I think) using the market price. For direct shipment of unbeneficiated (unconcentrated) iron ore the royalty rate is 7.5 percent of the index value of the shipped product.

If you compare Western Australian state royalty revenue from say 2017-18, when iron ore was trading under $1 per tonne, with last year, with iron ore in the $1.50 and upwards range, there's a difference of over $3 billion or about 60 percent ($5.21 billion in 2017-18 versus $8.29 billion for 2020-21). Over half of the increased total revenue between those two budgets ($28.5 billion versus $34.1 billion) is driven by royalties, which are in turn driven by the iron ore price.


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