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WingNut60 11th Aug 2021 01:52


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11093281)
Yes, in this case you are mistaken................

True. But many people are misled into thinking that the spot pricing reflects actual revenue.
The vast bulk of the iron ore sold from W.A. is sold on long-term contracts which are at a rate considerably below the oft-quoted newspaper headline prices but are a more secure revenue source for the larger producers.

Ladloy 11th Aug 2021 03:21

344 cases today. What a gold standard **** up

KRviator 11th Aug 2021 03:37


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11093298)
344 cases today. What a gold standard **** up

Bit harsh I think. Delta doesn't seem to be playing by the extant rules.

Consider the UK, 89% of eligible adults with their 1st does, 75% have had both. Yet they still racked up 23,510 new cases yesterday, and 146 deaths. Source

"Australian-ising" that would give 8,965 new cases Oz-wide and 55 deaths, based on Australia's population being 38% of the UK.
"NSWelsh-anising" it would give 2,889 new cases in NSW and 18 deaths. based on NSW's population being 12% of the UK.

And remember, that's with 75% of their adults having had both vaccinations!

SOPS 11th Aug 2021 04:05

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...down/100368176

Our friend from Byron.


Police have charged a Sydney man who travelled to Byron Bay, and subsequently sparked a COVID-19 lockdown in the area.

Zoran Radovanovic, from Rose Bay, travelled to the popular holiday destination with his two children last month.

Police allege Mr Radovanovic, 52, made the journey without a reasonable excuse.

The shires of Byron, Richmond Valley, Lismore and Ballina were on Monday put into a seven-day lockdown and numerous exposure sites were listed.

They're all within the Queensland-NSW border zone where locals have been allowed to travel across state lines for "permitted purposes", including grocery shopping.

The future court attendance notice will be served on Mr Radovanovic, who remains at Lismore Base Hospital with strict bail conditions after testing positive for COVID-19.

His two children have also tested positive for COVID-19.

"The 52-year-old man from Rose Bay will be charged with breaching the public health order after he travelled from Sydney to Byron Bay and surrounding areas without reasonable excuse and for breaching public health orders," said NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Peter McKenna.

Mr Radovanovic will be required to appear at Lismore Court on September 13 and will be under strict bail conditions until then.

"I would appeal to all members of community regardless of where you come from to abide by these public health orders," said Assistant Commissioner McKenna.

"It is the only way we are going to stop this virus spreading in regional NSW and keep our community safe."

Health authorities in NSW confirmed no new cases had been identified in the area in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.

Turnleft080 11th Aug 2021 04:25

The most disturbing comment from Dan this morning was "I will do anything to protect you from this virus". This
is after a heckler, probably someone thats gone to the wall, was heard in the background.
What ever happened to looking after our own health that's been happening since Adam & Eve
decided to go to the disco. However, the advice from public health is to follow the science.
What a magnificent comment, something thats written in stone from the University of spinology.
The smirks, show the extent of the spin.



Chris2303 11th Aug 2021 04:35


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11093298)
344 cases today. What a gold standard **** up

If citizens would do as they were told there would be a gold standard etc

Ladloy 11th Aug 2021 04:44


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11093300)
Bit harsh I think. Delta doesn't seem to be playing by the extant rules.

Consider the UK, 89% of eligible adults with their 1st does, 75% have had both. Yet they still racked up 23,510 new cases yesterday, and 146 deaths. Source

"Australian-ising" that would give 8,965 new cases Oz-wide and 55 deaths, based on Australia's population being 38% of the UK.
"NSWelsh-anising" it would give 2,889 new cases in NSW and 18 deaths. based on NSW's population being 12% of the UK.

And remember, that's with 75% of their adults having had both vaccinations!

well we're on our way and don't forget deaths lag behind case numbers. She could have locked it down earlier but she had to play politics

itsnotthatbloodyhard 11th Aug 2021 04:53


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11093316)
well we're on our way and don't forget deaths lag behind case numbers. She could have locked it down earlier but she had to play politics

Iím not sure it really matters much when she decided to apply the lockdown, given that so many people out there are failing to abide by it anyway.

Lead Balloon 11th Aug 2021 05:03

^^^This^^^

No point making a rule and not being willing and able to enforce it effectively. That's the half-arsed way of doing it.

MickG0105 11th Aug 2021 05:17


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11093292)
True. But many people are misled into thinking that the spot pricing reflects actual revenue.
The vast bulk of the iron ore sold from W.A. is sold on long-term contracts which are at a rate considerably below the oft-quoted newspaper headline prices but are a more secure revenue source for the larger producers.

The manner in which iron ore export contracts are structured has changed significantly over the years. Long gone are the days of the Japanese steel industry calling in BHP and Hamersley sales execs and essentially setting an annual price. Once Chinese demand created a seller's market the pricing structure evolved to include regular price reviews; first six monthly, then quarterly and eventually to what we see these days where most contracts have a monthly price review mechanism.

So, yes, there is a difference between spot and contract prices but the margin is nowhere near what it once was.

It was that evolution in contract pricing that led the WA government to make more frequent adjustments to the commodity index value that is applied to calculate royalty payments.

Ladloy 11th Aug 2021 05:25


Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard (Post 11093318)
Iím not sure it really matters much when she decided to apply the lockdown, given that so many people out there are failing to abide by it anyway.

That's because it's not being enforced and that comes down to politics. They don't want to be seen as too authoritarian but it just prolongs this outbreak.

gerry111 11th Aug 2021 05:46


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11093281)
If you compare Western Australian state royalty revenue from say 2017-18, when iron ore was trading under $1 per tonne, with last year, with iron ore in the $1.50 and upwards range, there's a difference of over $3 billion or about 60 percent ($5.21 billion in 2017-18 versus $8.29 billion for 2020-21).

I reckon you meant iron ore trading at under $100 per tonne and subsequently over $150.

MickG0105 11th Aug 2021 06:03


Originally Posted by gerry111 (Post 11093334)
I reckon you meant iron ore trading at under $100 per tonne and subsequently over $150.

D'oh! Yes, quite correct. Can I blame the error on feeling a bit foggy after my second AZ shot yesterday?

Lead Balloon 11th Aug 2021 06:16

That would be the bluetooth chip that's been injected into you! It will be interesting to see which of Bill and Belinda takes over control of your life, their having been give a 50/50 split of the assets on divorce.

machtuk 11th Aug 2021 07:14


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11093312)
The most disturbing comment from Dan this morning was "I will do anything to protect you from this virus". This
is after a heckler, probably someone thats gone to the wall, was heard in the background.
What ever happened to looking after our own health that's been happening since Adam & Eve
decided to go to the disco. However, the advice from public health is to follow the science.
What a magnificent comment, something thats written in stone from the University of spinology.
The smirks, show the extent of the spin.

thought the same thing, the lunatic King of spin and the sheeple buy it daily with unwavering loyalty!

Paragraph377 11th Aug 2021 08:48

Regarding COVID, may I add how these hypocritical political bullshit artists have allowed famous actors, sports people, wealthy people and even their political selves through the system regardless of domestic and international lockdowns, because why - they contribute to the economy! Really? Here is a fact - unlocking the effing lockdowns and allowing business and normal activities to flourish WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY. You absolute moronsÖ..

Foxxster 11th Aug 2021 09:13


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11093319)
^^^This^^^

No point making a rule and not being willing and able to enforce it effectively. That's the half-arsed way of doing it.


another 500 army personnel will be coming to Sydney

I mentioned that we would be in lockdown in Sydney until the grand final weekend in early October. Well now Gladys says until November at least. Until we get 70% vaccinated. And then what. They still canít or wonít tell us what restrictions will be lifted. They are still working through that. Because 8 weeks of lockdown already just isnít enough time.

and as for Byron man, well apparently the police have told the health idiots that the health regulations need to be re written. Which will start tomorrow. I wonder if that will take eight weeks. In the meantime, letís all plan our vacations. Just make sure you book in to inspect a property at your holiday destination. Yes I know Byron man has just been charged but who knows if it will stick. Seeing as the rules are having to be re written. I mean that surely could be used by him in defence.

Lead Balloon 11th Aug 2021 09:29

When the enforcement of the lockdown rules involves the ADF and police physically restraining people from moving in breach of the lockdown laws, as the ADF and police have interpreted them, and the ADF and police incarcerate those who resist, Australia will have finally reached the end of the beginning of the response to this pandemic.

Pray, to whichever deity you subscribe, that the Omega strain takes its time.

Turnleft080 11th Aug 2021 09:43


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093397)
Regarding COVID, may I add how these hypocritical political bullshit artists have allowed famous actors, sports people, wealthy people and even their political selves through the system regardless of domestic and international lockdowns, because why - they contribute to the economy! Really? Here is a fact - unlocking the effing lockdowns and allowing business and normal activities to flourish WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY. You absolute moronsÖ..

If the whole friggen country opened all domestic borders right now and mandated masks and sanitiser (Australia wide) which prevent the spread,
the hospitalisations would be no different as they now. Dealing with recalcitrant premiers is the reason why business are collapsing and all of us not flying.

The SA Olympians just did 14 days quarantine in NSW and now have to do an extra 14 days of iso in SA. They are fully vaxed
and all negative. Makes you wonder if this 70% quota is load of spin as well. As someone said 7 governments, 1 country.

cessnapete 11th Aug 2021 10:04

It is troubling to see the contrary advice still being pushed by Politicians Down Under. Obviously here in Europe, big mistakes were made in hindsight at the beginning of the C19 saga. But now with some 80% vaccination in the whole population in the UK over a reasonable period, some proven data is now available.
AZ is overwhelmingly safe and still in use.
The medical opinion is that C19 is here to stay, 0 infections are unattainable in the long term, unless like NZ you are happy to Lockdown seemingly indefinitely with no travel. ( Unless you own Google!)
Mass vaccination 80% + can bring back some normalcy, even works with the D strain.
Comments for example re not having the vaccination during pregnancy runs completely opposite to the UK National Health Service now officially recommending vaccination when pregnant , due to the real danger of contacting C19 during this time.
We must try and avoid mixed messages Worldwide.


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