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Clare Prop 6th Sep 2021 05:29


Originally Posted by De_flieger (Post 11106807)
You honestly thought that people's primary association with Hitler was the proportion of votes he got, and the lack of opposition in German domestic politics in the early 1930s? And not the Holocaust and Second World War? Doesn't sound particularly believable to me....:rolleyes:

I worry about the level of education in this country. That anyone at all can cherry pick Hitler and the Nazi regime and try to apply it to todays Australian politicians defies belief.
Those who do not learn the lessons of history etc etc

WingNut60 6th Sep 2021 05:57


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11106806)
Righto we get WA ppl love Lord McGowen, I donít know why he has not done anything to better WA really, delta is closer than you think maybe AFL grand final will be the seeding event. Anna stay away is quietly $hitting herself I would bet. Fatherís Day yesterday who knows how many infectious NSW ppl that gave hugs and those naughty NRL players and to top it off as the CMO said today the biggest hole are truckies. Tick tok, enjoy Xmas lockdown NSW and VIC will have a beer for you all in the pub.

We know that it's only a matter of time; inevitable.

It's just that we'd rather not welcome it with open arms as Beryl seems to want to do.

C441 6th Sep 2021 06:11


Show me a state or territory that doesn't have a health system teetering on the brink of being overwhelmed? All the more reason not to have to accept Gladys and Clive's infected hordes to come here right now.
As is the case here in Queensland, some are confusing allowing free travel between states after 70 and/or 80% have been fully vaccinated, with allowing free travel now. At the moment nationally we have about 30% fully vaccinated and 50% partially; a reasonable way to go to reaching the desired numbers.

Apart from maybe a few posters on this forum and elsewhere, no-one is suggesting W.A. open it's borders to everyone now, but once a consistent vaccination coverage of that magnitude has been reached then let's start to relax the borders and manage the virus so we can become a productive, cohesive nation again, not one that seeks an 'advantage' for the sake of (largely) political gain alone.

chookcooker 6th Sep 2021 06:21

Fuhrer now stating he wants 90% AND then two months afterwards before opening borders.

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 06:33


I think he won in a landslide more because there lacked any opposition. Harvey quit leadership in Nov 2020 leaving poor Zac to fight the March election. He conceded defeat even before Election Day. The libs policies were a shambles and their costings laughable. Even die hard liberal voters were dismayed.
This is one downside to mandatory voting. If voting was optional a low voter turn out could remove any mandate as it shows voters saw no options they liked. In Australian politics the turn out is always high, because you are forced to vote, so with singular options it looks like you have a mandate of numbers. It's very hard to know whether people agree with his policies or just voted as he was the lessor of the evils. Opinion polls can be manipulated by just polling suburbs you know will agree with your views, so even those can be misleading. Maybe we need another option on the voting cards marked "all options are imbeciles", although I think Mr/Mrs Imbecile will probably get voted in.

Xeptu 6th Sep 2021 06:44


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11106778)
For example, since April 2020-June 2021 (last month for which BTRE figures were available), this is the incoming passenger load:
  • Adelaide: 19,969
  • Brisbane: 112,276
  • Hobart: 1,314 - Only started taking international arrivals April/May & June 21, was 0 for the 12 months before that.
  • Melbourne: 81,570 - Took 0 in during Aug/Sep/Oct 2020 when they had their outbreak
  • Perth: 48,243
  • Sydney: 245, 951 - nearly 50% of all international arrivals, and almost as much as every other city combined

Well NSW didn't have too, we are only supposed to be returning Australian Citizens, still about 40,000 to go, maybe NSW should focus on them instead. I note she did say "wouldn't that be wonderful" if we can do that by Christmas. But then that can be viewed as failure recovery action.

Icarus2001 6th Sep 2021 06:50


In Australian politics the turn out is always high, because you are forced to vote,
Sorry, cannot agree. We are forced to turn up and have our name signed off as voted. What we write or do with the ballot paper is up to us. Plenty of opportunity to register lack of approval. Ultimately we know we have to vote for someone or else the system will fall apart.

galdian 6th Sep 2021 06:59


Originally Posted by De_flieger (Post 11106807)
You honestly thought that people's primary association with Hitler was the proportion of votes he got, and the lack of opposition in German domestic politics in the early 1930s? And not the Holocaust and Second World War? Doesn't sound particularly believable to me....:rolleyes:

I've explained my reference to Hitler.

If you wish to feign scepticism and call me a liar there's bugger all I can do about that, fill yer boots.

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 07:04

https://www.idea.int/data-tools/data...pulsory-voting


Ultimately we know we have to vote for someone or else the system will fall apart.
Not sure what falls apart when you remove the random votes by people that don't really care who wins and just cross anything or the first on the list. Look at the map and see how many countries on that list are strong democracies and apply compulsory voting. Australia is about the only stable democracy on it that practices such.

Xeptu 6th Sep 2021 07:09


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11106850)
Not sure what falls apart when you remove the random votes by people that don't really care who wins and just cross anything or the first on the list. Look at the map and see how many countries on that list are strong democracies and apply compulsory voting. Australia is about the only stable democracy on it that practices such.

Well that would still be a vote :) informal voters just drop a blank unmarked ballot paper in the box, but most just have their name crossed off and walk out.

ruprecht 6th Sep 2021 07:15


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 11106823)
Fuhrer now stating he wants 90% AND then two months afterwards before opening borders.

Looks like McGowan is secretly hoping that covid will sneak in so he wonít have to make a decision.

OrÖ heís doing his bit for Albo.

SHVC 6th Sep 2021 07:15


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11106838)
Well NSW didn't have too, we are only supposed to be returning Australian Citizens, still about 40,000 to go, maybe NSW should focus on them instead. I note she did say "wouldn't that be wonderful" if we can do that by Christmas. But then that can be viewed as failure recovery action.

Wow! You really are a savage. NSW which I agree should be letting residents return home. Itís on the inside their passport also. I really hope WA stays closed well into next yr and the price of the ore tanks to $50 tonne!

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 07:18


Well that would still be a vote https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif informal voters just drop a blank unmarked ballot paper in the box, but most just have their name crossed off and walk out.
It would be interesting to see what voter turn out would be without the mandatory system, and what changes it would bring to candidates. Overseas the voter turn out is used heavily to show how much interest the public has in policy and direction and political engagement.


Well NSW didn't have too, we are only supposed to be returning Australian Citizens, still about 40,000 to go, maybe NSW should focus on them instead.
It's funny that number has been 40,000 since March LAST year. It's stayed at 40,000 every time they mention returning Australians, so it's either a BS number or they are letting as many Aussies leave each time they bring some back. Either that or some of those overseas Australians are multiplying like rabbits in boredom.

Xeptu 6th Sep 2021 07:33


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11106859)
Wow! You really are a savage. NSW which I agree should be letting residents return home. Itís on the inside their passport also. I really hope WA stays closed well into next yr and the price of the ore tanks to $50 tonne!

Well that's more likely to have a bigger impact upon Australia more than the people of WA.

Potsie Weber 6th Sep 2021 07:40


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11106859)
Wow! You really are a savage. NSW which I agree should be letting residents return home. It’s on the inside their passport also. I really hope WA stays closed well into next yr and the price of the ore tanks to $50 tonne!

That will also have a big effect on the Federal Government’s revenue and the extra money they can pump into COVID relief. A shift of $10 per tonne for iron ore, hits the federal government by about $2b.

Lead Balloon 6th Sep 2021 08:30

$2b per annum? Chump change for the biggest spending federal government in Australian history.

A short dose of running its own defence force and 'stopping the boats' itself would be very 'character building' for WA, I reckon.

dr dre 6th Sep 2021 08:50


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 11106823)
Fuhrer now stating he wants 90% AND then two months afterwards before opening borders.

More technically it was 80%-90% and a grace period for any stragglers to get a shot.

The rate of vaccine uptake per day is about 0.7%, so itís quite possible once hitting 80% the time to high 80ís could only be about two weeks, basically I think theyíre going until the rate of increase begins to level off (ie you start running into the anti-vaxxers). This is probably what all states with low Covid at the moment will aim for, Tasmania, ACT and NT have pretty much said so too. Once allís said and done itíll probably only be an extra a month or so.

But the supply of vaccines is increasing too, Moderna coming online soon so the supply is going to increase to two million per week (from about 1.3 million per week start of August) which should bring the dates to hit targets forward considerably.

Even with a grace period I think a nationwide Christmas reopening is possible.

Ladloy 6th Sep 2021 09:15


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11106869)
That will also have a big effect on the Federal Governmentís revenue and the extra money they can pump into COVID relief. A shift of $10 per tonne for iron ore, hits the federal government by about $2b.

They've been printing money since 2013 when they said "back in the black". 200m net debt from Labor government and about 800m since 2013. I don't think they're worried about extra money anymore.

Xeptu 6th Sep 2021 09:29


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11106920)
They've been printing money since 2013 when they said "back in the black". 200m net debt from Labor government and about 800m since 2013. I don't think they're worried about extra money anymore.

I have always wondered what money is actually, is it really worth anything, if the world collapsed, money would be the very last thing anyone would want to trade with, so what is it really worth.

43Inches 6th Sep 2021 09:51

As long as you don't print more money than what others are printing who cares. The US has given up trying to curb spending since Trump got in, problem is, who's going to collect on the debt... China on the other hand just prints money, and then fixes its currency value to stop it going high enough to affect business, so presently, cash currency is worth almost nothing in reality as no one is holding it to any value at all. There is most likely a big shake up coming that will force a change in how wealth is determined, but who knows what, when and how that will manifest.

All money does is make things with no value have perceived value. I can buy a litre of milk for $1, but a 400ml bottle of water is $4... now would you swap 4 litre of milk for 400ml of water? but we effectively do that each day in millions of transactions.


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