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Duck Pilot 8th Aug 2021 07:03

Cairns has just gone into lockdown….

turbantime 8th Aug 2021 07:16

Have a look at https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...y-reports.aspx
Go to sections 5&6 of the report. It’ll show how the vaccines are protecting against infections and severe disease during the current NSW outbreak.

MickG0105 8th Aug 2021 09:46


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11091638)
Have a look at https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...y-reports.aspx
Go to sections 5&6 of the report. It’ll show how the vaccines are protecting against infections and severe disease during the current NSW outbreak.

Notable that there are more people aged 29 and under in ICUs than there are people aged 70 and over.

43Inches 8th Aug 2021 09:48


Notable that there are more people aged 29 and under in ICUs than there are people aged 70 and over.
But also much fewer deaths this run, dropping that death rate below 1% now. Most likely due to that lack of older folks in ICU.

galdian 8th Aug 2021 10:29


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11091699)
But also much fewer deaths this run, dropping that death rate below 1% now. Most likely due to that lack of older folks in ICU.

Just asking: which is more a concern, death in (predominantly oldies) or the long CV effects on life expectancy/quality (predominantly youngies) ??

Simple Q, PLEASE don't bombard with millions of reports/stats or whatever.
Ever heard of "gut feeling"?

Cheers

Lookleft 8th Aug 2021 11:29

I suppose it depends on how Covid has affected you as to your perspective. Just for interest this is how a covid survivor feels.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...plea/100358420

Xeptu 8th Aug 2021 11:33

I "can" make some comment on that question based on personal experience among my little group albeit I have not been infected that I am aware of.

Our girls aged between 30 and 60 returned infected from VIC, none of them can say they are fully restored to precovid condition.
All of them have a variety of strange occurrences, bruising that comes and goes mainly on the arms hands and legs, but the most concerning ones are fatigue and breathlessness episodes, these occur without warning, mostly at rest or sleeping, only one of the four is serious enough to occasionally need to reach for the oxygen mask. She is presumably a Long Covid statistic, because of the need to have available oxygen. The others don't require oxygen at least yet, but they are the younger, we don't know which way that's going to go long term.
We also don't actually know how you become a Long Covid statistic, two of the youngest ones are reluctant to declare it.
Fatigue, can last hours, varying in degree from unable to stand up unassisted to not able to lift a coffee cup. Breathlessness, comes on suddenly without warning and can last up to 20 mins. Varies from sit up and take a few deep breaths to reach for the oxygen mask.

The official statistic we think is 15% effected become Long Covid sufferers, we don't know how that is derived. Based on those we know that went to VIC discussing it among themselves, we think it's more like 1 in 3.with the two concerning symptoms.

In answer to the question, none of us have been overly concerned about the risk of dying from Covid, Long Covid however has our undivided attention.


43Inches 8th Aug 2021 11:34

I feel both are just as bad, from a community care stance. Although if you look at it from an economic point of view long term sickness in the young is the one you really want to avoid, that will cost big bucks for years to come. That's from the standpoint of loss of productivity and reliance on benefits/care. To me that's going to be the huge issue for the UK with its NHS system, being entirely taxpayer funded. The US can get away with it due to their system being more user pays (a lot), so there is more burden on the individual rather than the community. Australia being closer to the UK system would want to avoid long term mass disabilities.

turbantime 8th Aug 2021 12:01


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11091742)
I "can" make some comment on that question based on personal experience among my little group albeit I have not been infected that I am aware of.

Our girls aged between 30 and 60 returned infected from VIC, none of them can say they are fully restored to precovid condition.
All of them have a variety of strange occurrences, bruising that comes and goes mainly on the arms hands and legs, but the most concerning ones are fatigue and breathlessness episodes, these occur without warning, mostly at rest or sleeping, only one of the four is serious enough to occasionally need to reach for the oxygen mask. She is presumably a Long Covid statistic, because of the need to have available oxygen. The others don't require oxygen at least yet, but they are the younger, we don't know which way that's going to go long term.
We also don't actually know how you become a Long Covid statistic, two of the youngest ones are reluctant to declare it.
Fatigue, can last hours, varying in degree from unable to stand up unassisted to not able to lift a coffee cup. Breathlessness, comes on suddenly without warning and can last up to 20 mins. Varies from sit up and take a few deep breaths to reach for the oxygen mask.

The official statistic we think is 15% effected become Long Covid sufferers, we don't know how that is derived. Based on those we know that went to VIC discussing it among themselves, we think it's more like 1 in 3.with the two concerning symptoms.

In answer to the question, none of us have been overly concerned about the risk of dying from Covid, Long Covid however has our undivided attention.

That is one heck of a warning tale. All the anti-whatever’s talking about 98-99% survival rate need to read your story. Survival does not equal recovery. The long term effects are significant. Thanks for sharing your story.

Xeptu 8th Aug 2021 13:29


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11091754)
That is one heck of a warning tale. All the anti-whatever’s talking about 98-99% survival rate need to read your story. Survival does not equal recovery. The long term effects are significant. Thanks for sharing your story.

I have a good story! One of them says she loses feeling in her finger tips and feet. Some describe it as numbness and others loss of feeling.
Partner gets in the passenger seat, she's driving, starts the engine and immediately goes to about 4500rpm, for about 10 seconds before she realises her foot is pressing on the accelerator.

WTF he says, well I can't feel my foot she says, well you're not driving he says and she's still in denial.

blubak 8th Aug 2021 22:48


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11091754)
That is one heck of a warning tale. All the anti-whatever’s talking about 98-99% survival rate need to read your story. Survival does not equal recovery. The long term effects are significant. Thanks for sharing your story.

The people listening to the anti everythings need to read it also,very likely it will be too late to change their mind if they get it.
Have just been reading the booking system for the under 40s group has gone into overdrive since the announcement yesterday that they can get it.looks like people are really keen which is great for all of us.

WingNut60 8th Aug 2021 22:58

Vaccination hesitancy in the boomers
 
Vaccination hesitancy in the boomers? I blame it on the Lotto.

After 20 years of buying Lotto tickets and thinking you're going to win at 134,000,000 to one then a mere 300,000 : 1 must seem like a dead certainty.

Foxxster 8th Aug 2021 23:08

Vaccine hesitancy is high in the area of Sydney where the virus is now running wild. And compliance is at its lowest in the same area.

As for the end of Sydney lockdown. Apparently not until grand final day which is early October. That is if we continue to meet vaccination rate targets. Some restrictions may be lifted beforehand but the majority will be in place until at least then. Strap in.

SHVC 8th Aug 2021 23:48

Restriction eased in October then what? NSW will not be welcomed anywhere because the other states will be no where near a level of covid vaccination level. Strap in for the long haul if you’re i. Aviation, tourism industry we have a loooooong ride yet.

ManillaChillaDilla 9th Aug 2021 00:14

At the end of the day the rest of the world provides an interseting comparison as to how this has been mishandled in Australia.

Politics is simply a game inhabited by those who by reason of extending their own gravy trains, are first and formost interested in themselves. To be in politics they have to be.

NSW and Victoria are good examples of " leaders " who have forgotten that they work for us. Not the other way around.

Franco in Vic gave himself a 15% payrise in the middle of last year just as his policies were killing the most vulnerable in our society!

If protecting the comunity and our country was the priority, we wouldnt be in this current shambolic state.

Its the politicians olympics and death by a thousand cuts for the populus.

At what point did this conduct become ok?

MCD




43Inches 9th Aug 2021 00:23


Franco in Vic gave himself a 15% payrise in the middle of last year just as his policies were killing the most vulnerable in our society!
If you mean Dan, that was addressed, the public service awarded a payrise to all Victorian state politicians, it's an independent review board. Dan was against it and has donated it all to charity and was asking his cabinet to do the same, however he did not enforce they did, probably because he can't.

AerialPerspective 9th Aug 2021 00:33


Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla (Post 11092058)
At the end of the day the rest of the world provides an interseting comparison as to how this has been mishandled in Australia.

Politics is simply a game inhabited by those who by reason of extending their own gravy trains, are first and formost interested in themselves. To be in politics they have to be.

NSW and Victoria are good examples of " leaders " who have forgotten that they work for us. Not the other way around.

Franco in Vic gave himself a 15% payrise in the middle of last year just as his policies were killing the most vulnerable in our society!

If protecting the comunity and our country was the priority, we wouldnt be in this current shambolic state.

Its the politicians olympics and death by a thousand cuts for the populus.

At what point did this conduct become ok?

MCD

Yeh, let's not let facts get in the way of an accusation. In Victoria, there is an independent remuneration tribunal which is at arms length to government, it sets the salaries of Members of the Victorian Parliament, senior Public Servants, Councillors throughout the State and and Government operated Corporations (e.g. VicRoads, TAC, et al).

It was specifically set up by the current government to take the determination of government related salaries out of the hands of the Parliament because of previous accusations of self-serving and being out of touch. Among it's board members are an expert in workplace remuneration, I believe a former industrial relations judge.

Most Victorians support the State Government and the Premier, it's why his government was re-elected in a landslide and why he is widely supported with respect to the management of Covid, unless you get all your new from Sky News after-dark.

Every major project that was promised upon initial election (Level Crossings, for example), has been running ahead of schedule. We have had more work done on repairing our roads and upgrading infrastructure than any government for decades. Even the outliers and nutters on Sky News admitted after the last election that Andrews' government got re-elected because people like it when infrastructure is promised and delivered.

Used to live in NSW, didn't mind Gladys viewing her from afar but she lost me when she refused to lock down the State and look what's happened.

Yes, the overwhelming majority of politicians are self-serving and only there because they failed at everything else beforehand - however, in assigning blame and/or malfeasance, I'd be looking in the direction of Mr "I don't hold a hose", "sports-rorts", "carpark rorts", "community safety rorts", "robodebt", "National Fraudband Network", "Censusfail", "Aged-care disaster" and the fact he only barely got re-elected in 2019 because of Clive and the stupid opposition presenting a policy platform to out-complicate Hewson's GST.

AerialPerspective 9th Aug 2021 00:36


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11092062)
If you mean Dan, that was addressed, the public service awarded a payrise to all Victorian state politicians, it's an independent review board. Dan was against it and has donated it all to charity and was asking his cabinet to do the same, however he did not enforce they did, probably because he can't.

Thanks. I forgot about him donating the payrise to charity but I knew about the tribunal. Like I said in my response, never let the facts get in the way when bashing politicians.

43Inches 9th Aug 2021 00:49


Thanks. I forgot about him donating the payrise to charity but I knew about the tribunal. Like I said in my response, never let the facts get in the way when bashing politicians.
I was watching his live Covid talk in the morning when he addressed that issue. He said it wasn't right for him to tell the other politicians whether they deserved it or not, hence why he hasn't acted on it, but was donating all rises during the pandemic to charities.

Interesting to note when you search up him donating, there is virtually no news coverage, infact most is liberal biased propaganda twisting his donation into some sort of inaction or failure. Have to remember the opposition also got a pay rise at the same time, and yes some of them have also pledged to donate the proceeds.

I will say I'm generally not pro Dan, but I have liked his leadership during the pandemic, I know that's a hot topic, but just my opinion. I live in his state, and have many pre-pandemic things I don't like about Dan and the Labor tribe.

layman 9th Aug 2021 05:28

Why we need to flatten the curve
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...ital/100361200

Sydney numbers are high but I wouldn’t have thought them catastrophic and yet patients are already being diverted to Wollongong.

I don’t this as a reflection on Sydney hospitals just the additional workload Covid places on staff & facilities.

We’re going to need high levels of vaccination AND continued application of pandemic protocols for a while yet.


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