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AerialPerspective 6th Aug 2021 01:34


Originally Posted by StudentInDebt (Post 11090184)
Vaccine-Enhanced Disease Enhancement. The latest thing people who have no idea what they are talking about will tell you to convince themselves that the COVID vaccines are dangerous (after finding out about it on their Aunty Doris’ Facebook timeline).

I googled it but couldn't find a definition so thanks for the reply.

Xeptu 6th Aug 2021 01:36

Because there was nothing noble about it, they were doing their job, no different to your pilots returning Australians. Have we forgotten already thousands were infected, hundreds died,

We in Australia have been lucky, the numbers are much smaller compared to the UK. all eyes are on the UK to see how that works out. We don't deny there will come a time to open up.

What do I want, absolutely nothing. I would like Australians to be aware that not everything is as it seems, How many of us could tell you how many pilots are still stood down, do they even care. When our politicians (like scomo did) and our CMO's say we are ready, we are prepared for this, that we are not and when that critical moment arrives, that will become painfully obvious.

43Inches 6th Aug 2021 02:09


Vaccine-Enhanced Disease Enhancement. The latest thing people who have no idea what they are talking about will tell you to convince themselves that the COVID vaccines are dangerous (after finding out about it on their Aunty Doris’ Facebook timeline).

I googled it but couldn't find a definition so thanks for the reply.
Because there is no such thing as VADE, someone added the V to ADE to make it seem like vaccines are causing this (scaremongering) when its just Antibodies in general, whether they be a result of previous infection or vaccine response.

When I mentioned earlier that Australia will open up at years end, this was based on two things.

One, vaccination levels will reach an acceptable point to try this and two; The level of discontent at lockdowns or lockdown fatigue will have reached a point that governments will start to become wary of using this method. Both restlessness and economic factors will push the second point more and more the longer this continues. People do not become accustomed to lack of freedoms, they simmer until burn out, and no government wants to get there. Hence why brits opened up.

This all of course depends on Covid not going nuclear and becoming more deadly, ADE and whatever else nature can muster.

Cirressna 6th Aug 2021 03:00


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11090222)
Well that's not a politicians call is it, that decision is on us the people. We need to have the conversation, it'll be the most watched Q&A session of all time I would think.

Our girls volunteered to help VIC in it's time of need and all of them came home infected, a good many of yours too. Mine are still affected from it, Long Covid they call it.
They can't be vaccinated yet, I don't know enough about it to tell u why, but in any case we have made our decision and I know we're not alone that we cannot be infected a second time,
So we have a very well organised bugout plan should that become necessary. one of the issues was the feeling of walking away from people in need, the ICU is the very last line of defence. My pitch to them to make them feel better is that you can't help anyone if your incapable yourself.
What you have written here in the last few hours gives us confidence our plan is sound and we should'nt worry too much about those that don't care anyway.


I'm actually really confused about what you're talking about here. Don't know why you're so vague. Your daughters are in the medical field and worked in hospitals on the frontline? They can't be vaccinated even though working on the frontline, why? Bugout plan? What are you on about!?

Ladloy 6th Aug 2021 03:57

Almost 300 cases in NSW today. What a monumental **** up by the NSW government. All because they were too smug to lock it down earlier.

Xeptu 6th Aug 2021 03:59


Originally Posted by Cirressna (Post 11090474)
I'm actually really confused about what you're talking about here. Don't know why you're so vague. Your daughters are in the medical field and worked in hospitals on the frontline? They can't be vaccinated even though working on the frontline, why? Bugout plan? What are you on about!?

I didn't think it was all that vague, but if your from northern QLD, I'll assume you weren't all that in touch with what happened in VIC at the time.
I didn't say "My Daughters" somebody else did.
It was in the time before the vaccine.
There are issues around being vaccinated once you have been/are infected. I don't know enough about it myself.
Bugout Plan, we have made the decision not to become infected a second time, vaccinated or not, In other words they won't be staff at all, if and when that time comes.

You can work out for yourself what the likely consequences of that are where there are significant staff numbers having made the same decision.


YeahNahYeah 6th Aug 2021 04:12

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...05-p58gb9.html

Scomo and Hunt are pair of mucking fuppets, what a total pisspoor move.

43Inches 6th Aug 2021 04:15


There are issues around being vaccinated once you have been/are infected. I don't know enough about it myself.
I don't think there is any issues with vaccination post exposure, however the general restriction is a 3 month wait prior to allow the more vulnerable non exposed to get vaccinated first. Exposure does grant some immunity, but it seems as though it drops off relatively fast WRT covid.

mattyj 6th Aug 2021 04:46

The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.

compressor stall 6th Aug 2021 05:09

He’s hardly been in step with the broad medical community recently.
That in itself doesn’t mean he’s wrong, but there are enough red flags to treat his claims with a healthy degree of scrutiny and scepticism.

turbantime 6th Aug 2021 05:16


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11090502)
The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.

Except he’s not the ‘inventor’.
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
And spare me the ‘who fact checks the fact checkers’ retort that seems to be the only line conspiracy theorists are able to conjure up.


dr dre 6th Aug 2021 05:25


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11090502)
The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.

Malone wasn’t the inventor of mRNA, as he claims, merely worked on the project, the credit for “inventing mRNA” technology is given to others. He is seen in the scientific community as an outlier and a quack who has spread anti-vax misinformation. Either way his claims about ADE - Antibody Dependent Enhancement - are misleading and not backed by evidence:

COVID-19 vaccines effectively prevent severe disease; haven’t shown signs of antibody-dependent enhancement as claimed by Robert Malone

But the most damning critique is where did he go to make these claims? The podcast of Steve Bannon, the Trump boosting conspiracy troll.

MickG0105 6th Aug 2021 06:11


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11090502)
..., Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world ...

Where is the reporting of these "mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads"?

Australopithecus 6th Aug 2021 06:42

I have another Wiki reference for this discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

compressor stall 6th Aug 2021 07:30


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11090519)
Where is the reporting of these "mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads"?

The use of the word "huge" is probably just a hyperbole overcome by cognitive lassitude.

What the not yet peer reviewed studies show are that in communities with very high cases of Delta, vaccinated people who have had breakthrough infections of Delta exhibit similar viral loads to unvaccinated people. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1

Interesting, but nothing overly against the flow in that I'd say. If you get infected (and the chances are very low) you can infect others. Might be more transmissible than previously expected though. Probably why the CDC has recommended masks for vaxed folk too.

compressor stall 6th Aug 2021 07:33


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 11090526)
I have another Wiki reference for this discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

Very apt. Straight to the pool room alongside the well venerated Dunning Kruger.

Turnleft080 6th Aug 2021 07:45

The PM about to speak again after another cabinet meeting. I don't wreken will will see 70% never mind 80% vaxed, just maybe, they discussed lowering these
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.

Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.

MickG0105 6th Aug 2021 08:31


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 11090537)
The use of the word "huge" is probably just a hyperbole overcome by cognitive lassitude.

So, bullsh^t, in lay terms.


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 11090537)
What the not yet peer reviewed studies show are that in communities with very high cases of Delta, vaccinated people who have had breakthrough infections of Delta exhibit similar viral loads to unvaccinated people. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1

Did you look at the sample size that they were working with for that study? An initial cohort of 291 samples with a lot of exclusions along the way.

The small sample size aside, the fundamental problem with that study is that they are trying to use threshold cycle (Ct) values from PCR testing to determine viral load. You can't use Ct values to determine, or even infer, viral load. As the CDC stated clearly here:


A Ct value does not indicate how much virus is present, but only whether or not viral genetic material was detected at a defined threshold.
Similarly, they are then trying to take the inferred viral load to further infer infectiousness. As the CDC states at the same reference as above:


RT-PCR tests are used to identify and diagnose an active infection but cannot be used to show how infectious someone is.
It will be interesting to see if that paper makes it way through the review process.

compressor stall 6th Aug 2021 08:35

I wasn't supporting its rigour or methodology (I'll let the established process take care of that) rather I was just pointing out that even if does pass, its conclusions are not paradigm shifting, and hardly anything to base an alternative narrative on.

SHVC 6th Aug 2021 08:39


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11090545)
The PM about to speak again after another cabinet meeting. I don't wreken will will see 70% never mind 80% vaxed, just maybe, they discussed lowering these
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.

Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.

Yes another pointless meaningless national cabinet that is yet to achieve anything. One thing I agree with 80% will not be reached anytime soon to save a lot of Australians from financial ruin in many industry. However if our fearless leader Gladys has proven with her half assed lockdown the bloody vaccine works and seems to work well. The nay sayers can argue all they want the last 3 weeks have proved it. Glad I’m fully vaxed to be honest


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