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blubak 7th Aug 2021 23:00


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11091235)
I love these uninformed comments. If you end up in hospital, especially in ICU, you get pumped a cocktail of Ďtherapiesí to keep you alive. Each one of those with comes with side effects, some which could be long lasting. It literally is a last ditch effort to keep your pulse going. Not to mention the long term complications from the disease. Then thereís the vaccine with mild short term effects (AZ rare issues aside) which keep you out of hospital. I know what I prefer.

Perfectly said,when you are ill you take what is given without questioning where or how or how many trials were undertaken on it.
When you get a prescription from the chemist,do you sit down & study the warnings about side effects on the leaflet or do you just accept what your gp has told you to take?
When you decide to travel on an aircraft,do you insist on verifying the pilots experience!!
It seems like we are finally on the right track with getting people vaccinated not helped of course by our fed govt stuff up but the time is coming when the unvaccinated will realise their rights may not equal the majority of the population,that is their choice.

sumtingwong 7th Aug 2021 23:04

This thread was somewhat informative in the beginning.
Now itís just a circle jerk of a few self righteous, self appointed arbiters of truth posters, one hand on their mates appendage, and the other, patting their own backs congratulating themselves on how superior they are to those with a different opinion, those asking some questions.

Itís gotten pretty boring, so ill move on, but perhaps the only thing left to ask you fellas is, who had to eat the Sao?

Whatever floats your boat eh.

43Inches 7th Aug 2021 23:08


This thread was somewhat informative in the beginning.
Now itís just a circle jerk of a few self righteous, self appointed arbiters of truth posters, one hand on their mates appendage, and the other, patting their own backs congratulating themselves on how superior they are to those with a different opinion, those asking some questions.
Here comes the insults cause they have lost the debate, or whatever it was they were trying to do.

Are you in opposition, uneducated, or just too stupid to understand what is being said? As one of those leads to childish insults.

sumtingwong 7th Aug 2021 23:11

Iím guessing the sao eater was you then.

See ya.

Gnadenburg 7th Aug 2021 23:17

It's moved to Facebook. Seems some of our aviation friends, the smarter than everyone else pilots, seem happy to post crap that's probably from state sponsored interference and disinformation teams ( CCP and Russians ).


dr dre 7th Aug 2021 23:18

No

EUA withdrawal for CDC COVID-19 PCR test is due to the development of newer tests that help save time and resources, not because the test is faulty

As far as thread direction yeah it did deviate from Aviation a long time ago, but until the pandemic is sorted out itís going to prevent any meaningful level of travel and airline industry employment. The only thing that will restore the industry to some semblance of what it was is when enough of society gets vaccinated, so I really canít understand why any pilot would be opposed to the vaccine.

This could be a place where we help overcome vaccine hesitancy using verified science and get as many vaccinated as possible, or it could be a place where personal insults are thrown, your choice.

43Inches 7th Aug 2021 23:31

Ill say it one more time, as I don't care who you are, how smart you are, I really couldn't give two hoots; but I care for the community in general which includes you clowns;

GO AND GET VACCINATED!

Then the borders will reopen and aviation can start to recover.... anything else just prolongs this misery and keeps me posting drivel here.

Lead Balloon 7th Aug 2021 23:45


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11091540)
Here comes the insults cause they have lost the debate, or whatever it was they were trying to do.

Are you in opposition, uneducated, or just too stupid to understand what is being said? As one of those leads to childish insults.

Oh dear.

Pot calling kettle. Pot calling kettle.

I get all the statistics and epidemiology and science and where they logically and inexorably lead, so far as the effective response to the pandemic - in isolation - goes.

But your strategic position is still based on a value judgment, with which others may reasonably and appropriately disagree.

There are many other causes of death and disease, the effective and scientifically-based response to which is obvious, in isolation. However, nothing happens in isolation from the real world.

A far greater cost is being paid to save a life potentially lost to this virus than is paid to save a life potentially lost to other causes. That's not an outcome driven by statistics and science and logic.

Vilifying someone for pointing out that fact - for it is a fact - is more than a little hypocritical.


43Inches 7th Aug 2021 23:51


Vilifying someone for pointing out that fact - for it is a fact - is more than a little hypocritical.
Fight fire with fire, you respond to the stone as its cast. Response is not causation.

Otherwise they just keep throwing stones.


There are many other causes of death and disease, the effective and scientifically-based response to which is obvious, in isolation. However, nothing happens in isolation from the real world.

A far greater cost is being paid to save a life potentially lost to this virus than is paid to save a life potentially lost to other causes. That's not an outcome driven by statistics and science and logic.
Now in answer to that, let's look at the USA, a country ravaged by Covid, the direct stimulus injection to keep the country afloat is now up to $6 trillion USD, That's $20,000 USD per person there, in a country thats had few lockdowns and an aggressive vaccination push. Now add to that treatment in a health system of 38 million suffers and 616,000 deaths to date. The loss of productivity from absenteeism alone could run into billions, if not trillions. So there is much much more than lock down kills a few businesses and causes mental anguish. Australia has got away with less than $10k per person needed in stimulus to keep the economy healthy. The health care system has had minimal penalty and absenteeism is fairly low as business is restricted anyway. So the average cost financially when spread across the population is far less in Australia than the US. If you compare to the UK we are so far ahead its just not funny, the NHS has debts now they will be paying for years and its still adding up, I don't think they even have any idea what its going to cost in the long run, but it sure as hell would be less if they had contained the virus.

Lead Balloon 7th Aug 2021 23:54

That doesn't seem to be very scientific.

Gnadenburg 8th Aug 2021 00:01

Out of interest and keeping the discussion relevant and on track. It would be great to hear from the main protagonist here, for perspective on their arguments and positions.

1) Has your aviation position been affected by COVID? Say redundancy or serious financial loss.

2) Did you qualify for government handouts such as job keeper?

3) Would you vaccinate if required to do so to keep your job a a pilot? Or would you walk away from flying if it deemed a critical industry requiring vaccination?

For myself.

1) Yes.

2) No.

3) Yes.

WingNut60 8th Aug 2021 00:05


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 11091557)
3) Would you vaccinate if required to do so to keep your job a a pilot? Or would you walk away from flying if it deemed a critical industry requiring vaccination?

3) Yes.

I presume that you're answering the first half of the question?

43Inches 8th Aug 2021 00:05

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes - have already vaccinated

Had to use the super payout scheme to stay ahead, getting government benefit supplements now, which anyone who has had their annual wage fall below about $80-$100k is elligible for if you have a family. Its a bit of a pain to sign up centrelink if you havn't done it before but the payments definitly help.

Gnadenburg 8th Aug 2021 00:11


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11091559)
I presume that you're answering the first half of the question?


I can reword the question though basically I'm asking, would you vaccinate to keep your job?

Or walk away based on principle?

KZ Kiwi 8th Aug 2021 00:11

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes - fully vaccinated.

It's not about whether you keep your job or not. Its not about the individual.

Anyone who doesn't wish to get vaccinated (due to having a massive sense of entitlement) and be part of protecting society, their community, their friends and their family is quite frankly a selfish prick.

43Inches 8th Aug 2021 00:17

I don't believe in forcing vaccinations on people, I'm just pushing that they do and trying to change their minds on the issue. If it gets to workplaces forcing you, then I don't need to 'spread the word' anymore, and I genuinely believe that should not occur.

The Banjo 8th Aug 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11091566)
I don't believe in forcing vaccinations on people, I'm just pushing that they do and trying to change their minds on the issue. If it gets to workplaces forcing you, then I don't need to 'spread the word' anymore, and I genuinely believe that should not occur.

No person should be forced to have the jab. The choice SHOULD BE have a jab or go away and find another job.

It is not difficult really,

Turnleft080 8th Aug 2021 00:47

Just to the news regarding todays numbers. QLD recording 9 and opening at 4pm today and VIC recording 11.
According to maths and the so called modelling science, I take that is a difference of 2. However, one state remains
in total 5km chains and a measly $1billion loss.

Torukmacto 8th Aug 2021 00:50

1 Yes made redundant
2 No , living off savings
3 Yes Double vaccinated at first opportunity


PoppaJo 8th Aug 2021 04:51


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11091572)
Just to the news regarding todays numbers. QLD recording 9 and opening at 4pm today and VIC recording 11.
According to maths and the so called modelling science, I take that is a difference of 2. However, one state remains
in total 5km chains and a measly $1billion loss.

QLD all in isolation

VIC 0 in isolation.

So Vic in the last 24 hours last had 40 not in isolation. Sort of heads south pretty quickly after then they will probably find out later this week


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