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Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 03:24


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11093820)
Until our double dose vaccination rates are above 80% I strongly disagree.

Oh please. Or until they change the target to 91% or the current measures donít work for the new variants, or all preschoolers, cats and dogs need to now be vaccinated, so letís lock it all down again blah blah blah. These wankers are making it up on the run. Governments arenít capable of organising a church picnic let alone protecting its people through a real emergency. Anyone who accepts the BS coming from the Governments mouths is living in cloud cuckoo land.



Xeptu 12th Aug 2021 03:45


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093823)
Oh please. Or until they change the target to 91% or the current measures donít work for the new variants, or all preschoolers, cats and dogs need to now be vaccinated, so letís lock it all down again blah blah blah. These wankers are making it up on the run. Governments arenít capable of organising a church picnic let alone protecting its people through a real emergency. Anyone who accepts the BS coming from the Governments mouths is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Clearly you don't think there should be any lockdowns at all, which essentially means "let it rip" Can I ask you what your expectation is of how life will be if we do that.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 03:52


Can I ask you what your expectation is of how life will be if we do that.
The recent cancellation of bus services because of an outbreak in the depot is a good reminder that things wont be normal with high covid in the community. And businesses will be making equally less income because half the population would be too scared to leave home, basically what is happening overseas.

ruprecht 12th Aug 2021 03:59


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093826)

The recent cancellation of bus services because of an outbreak in the depot is a good reminder that things wont be normal with high covid in the community. And businesses will be making equally less income because half the population would be too scared to leave home, basically what is happening overseas.

Aggressive suppression is needed until everyone eligible has been offered the vaccine. After that, I imagine society will become increasingly non-compliant with restrictions.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 04:14


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11093825)
Clearly you don't think there should be any lockdowns at all, which essentially means "let it rip" Can I ask you what your expectation is of how life will be if we do that.

So you think locking down the entire ACT with a financial impact of hundreds of millions of dollars, probably more, because 1 person has COVID, is a great idea for a virus that infects around 1% of the population with deaths mainly occurring in the over 80 years of age bracket?Seriously, you people have lost the plot. This is insanity.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 04:24

Here's some interesting stats,

From the 15th to the 28th July 2019 Victoria registered 204 (54 businesses) personal insolvencies including business owners.

From 12th of July to 25th July 2021 only 41 (11 businesses) insolvencies were recorded.

Since the 13th of July 2020 the insolvency figure has not risen above 100 per fortnight.

https://www.afsa.gov.au/about-us/sta...ncy-statistics

Why the figure has dropped so much, no idea, it's way against what even I was thinking.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 04:42


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093833)
Here's some interesting stats,

From the 15th to the 28th July 2019 Victoria registered 204 (54 businesses) personal insolvencies including business owners.

From 12th of July to 25th July 2021 only 41 (11 businesses) insolvencies were recorded.

Since the 13th of July 2020 the insolvency figure has not risen above 100 per fortnight.

https://www.afsa.gov.au/about-us/sta...ncy-statistics

Why the figure has dropped so much, no idea, it's way against what even I was thinking.

Trusting Government statistics is like putting trust in a rapist at a school carnival that he wonít offend.

Xeptu 12th Aug 2021 04:43


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093832)
So you think locking down the entire ACT with a financial impact of hundreds of millions of dollars, probably more, because 1 person has COVID, is a great idea for a virus that infects around 1% of the population with deaths mainly occurring in the over 80 years of age bracket?Seriously, you people have lost the plot. This is insanity.

It's not about what I think and you are clearly a bit behind the current state of the pandemic. you haven't answered the question.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 04:50


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11093836)
It's not about what I think and you are clearly a bit behind the current state of the pandemic. you haven't answered the question.

And Iím not going to answer the question as it will only see me labelled as a conspiracy theorist and create space for ongoing attacks. I will leave it to you serving pilots/epidemiologists (jack of all trades) to continue with your belief that these shutdowns are the key to future happy days. 👍

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 04:53


Trusting Government statistics is like putting trust in a rapist at a school carnival that he wonít offend.
Just an idiotic statement, everything in the economy agrees with the figures. As I've said all along there is no evidence of extra bankruptcies, suicides etc. You need to get your head checked if you are starting to think the world is against you, that is known as Paranoia, and is a mental illness.

House prices are up, inflation is creeping up, unemployment is down. A survey of businesses has found 20% of business is struggling to find enough workforce etc etc.

If you are a Pilot, well these are the hard times the old pilots have talked about. Part of the job, boom bust etc.

Now there were some extra bankruptcy protections added in 2020, but the rate should have been much higher by now with the 6 month period ended for the first round.


Xeptu 12th Aug 2021 04:55


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093838)
And Iím not going to answer the question as it will only see me labelled as a conspiracy theorist and create space for ongoing attacks. I will leave it to you serving pilots/epidemiologists (jack of all trades) to continue with your belief that these shutdowns are the key to future happy days. 👍

Ok, in that case don't be coming in here and telling us we're all insane and there's a better way of doing this without telling us what that is exactly.

Turnleft080 12th Aug 2021 05:03


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11093820)
Until our double dose vaccination rates are above 80% I strongly disagree.

You do realise they threw darts at a board to come up with that number. It's what public health do on
Friday nights when they get on the beers. Because they are so faceless who's to say that I'm wrong.

ruprecht 12th Aug 2021 05:09


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093839)
If you are a Pilot, well these are the hard times the old pilots have talked about. Part of the job, boom bust etc.

We lived in a hole in the roadÖ

Xeptu 12th Aug 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 11093843)
What Pandemic? The Economical Pandemic?

If we're doing it wrong then by all means call it out. But you must provide a solution on which is the right way, Then we will peer review that.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:21


You do realise they threw darts at a board to come up with that number. It's what public health do on
Friday nights when they get on the beers. Because they are so faceless who's to say that I'm wrong.
Over a year ago they knew the answer, I watched an Interview back then listing the vaccination rate and the number they said then was 80-90%. The magic number was 60% actual immunity rate in the population required to curb and significantly slow community transmission. Then factor that by Vaccine efficacy of say mean 75% which is where the 80% required vaccinated population comes from. The issue was that getting above 75% would be hard due to issues like people who cant take the vaccine and anti vaxxers.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 05:22


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11093846)
If we're doing it wrong then by all means call it out. But you must provide a solution on which is the right way, Then we will peer review that.

Oh dear, the Chairman of the ĎIím Scared Of COVIDí fan club has spoken once again.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:32


The only real way out, is for everyone to be on the same page and call it out. There needs to be accountability, in which, nobody seems to be taking!!!!!!
What do you want accountability for? that's just a sweeping statement politicians use when they have no mud to throw on an opposite.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 05:34


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093839)
Just an idiotic statement, everything in the economy agrees with the figures. As I've said all along there is no evidence of extra bankruptcies, suicides etc. You need to get your head checked if you are starting to think the world is against you, that is known as Paranoia, and is a mental illness.

House prices are up, inflation is creeping up, unemployment is down. A survey of businesses has found 20% of business is struggling to find enough workforce etc etc.

If you are a Pilot, well these are the hard times the old pilots have talked about. Part of the job, boom bust etc.

Now there were some extra bankruptcy protections added in 2020, but the rate should have been much higher by now with the 6 month period ended for the first round.

You are serious, right? So all those city cafeís are doing fine? So the tourism industry is doing wonderful and not bleeding to death? Those thousands of taxiís in the lockdown cities are doing a roaring trade? Mate, take a look at every sector and not just one or two areas. And you think that rising inflation is a good thing? Again, try studying finance. And finally, good old house prices being pushed up by people panicking about getting a home at any cost. Yep, no bubble or risk there.


43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:43


You are serious, right? So all those city cafe’s are doing fine? So the tourism industry is doing wonderful and not bleeding to death? Those thousands of taxi’s in the lockdown cities are doing a roaring trade? Mate, take a look at every sector and not just one or two areas. And you think that rising inflation is a good thing? Again, try studying finance. And finally, good old house prices being pushed up by people panicking about getting a home at any cost. Yep, no bubble or risk there.
Never said everyone was doing fine, just the majority, as always. However you are getting worked up about what you think is happening, rather that what is.

The Australian house bubble has been tipped to burst since the Howard years, guess what, its still bubbling, and the reasoning is sound. Australia can afford it. The reality is that Joe Older Guy who has owned property in the inner city for 50 years can just sell up his house and buy an apartment or bigger house in the burbs and still have cash left. He then gives his kids a leg up into the housing industry and they buy a house in the burbs or city, keeping the prices up. Until that cash runs out Aussie homes will stay high. A large proportion of home owners own their house outright. Again don't base your beliefs on just what is your situation. Good mate is a 50+ year real-estate agent in the suburbs, he sees no end to the prices steadily rising, unless of course something completely left field happens, way worse than covid.

BTW a year ago both of us though house prices would crash due to Covid, we were very wrong.

Xeptu 12th Aug 2021 05:50


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093852)
You are serious, right? So all those city cafeís are doing fine? So the tourism industry is doing wonderful and not bleeding to death? Those thousands of taxiís in the lockdown cities are doing a roaring trade? Mate, take a look at every sector and not just one or two areas. And you think that rising inflation is a good thing? Again, try studying finance. And finally, good old house prices being pushed up by people panicking about getting a home at any cost. Yep, no bubble or risk there.

Yep! you're right, so instead of just whinging about it, what's the solution.


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