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Turnleft080 19th Jul 2021 09:45


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11081151)
Eh? 48,000 new cases on the 18th.
Not quite zero.

How's this for an estimation. Where the UK are right now is where Australia should be by Christmas. It must go ballistic and ballistic it will.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rategy-england

mattyj 19th Jul 2021 09:56

Can anyone believe that Neil Ferguson is still allowed to give his opinions publicly?!

mattyj 19th Jul 2021 10:00

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...oment-12354845

this RSV immunity debt crisis in NZ is frightening because it actually does kill little kiddies (unlike Covid)

Lead Balloon 19th Jul 2021 10:06


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11081135)
I agree. This sounds suspect. Did she die FROM Covid or WITH Covid .....?

ABC news just said "from", twice.

Would be good to know when that finding was made and the qualifications of the person who made it.

Interesting watching the finger pointing between governments and their medical advisors at the moment.

MickG0105 19th Jul 2021 10:14


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11081138)
The uk has 90% of all eligible citizens with one shot..and their cases have dropped right back to basically zero right...

​​​​​​Is "basically zero" a zero with four other figures in front of it?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a2b8b09ce0.png



Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11081138)
...oh and they have fantastic levels of mask compliance..and until a few hours from now they’ve been in a draconian lockdown..

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....29f93a122.jpeg
Wembley Stadium, London - 30 June 2021
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b65f1ec02.jpeg
And Wembley Stadium, London - 11 July 2021

Very mask compliant, very draconian.

I'm guessing there's a bridge somewhere that's being overrun by goats.

Lead Balloon 19th Jul 2021 10:24

The UK is going to be a very interesting experiment to watch.

Happy 'Freedom Day' UK! Good luck...

mattyj 19th Jul 2021 10:57

Wembley was a special exemption under previously agreed to EUFA rules:

“Face coverings must be worn upon entry to the stadium and in all indoor areas. You can take it off ONLY when seated in view of the pitch," says the guide.

Fans have to show either proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test result to be uploaded 48 hours before the entry into the stadium.”

otherwise the masking is strict in the UK

Lead Balloon 19th Jul 2021 11:04

Define "strict" and explain how it has been enforced in practice.

The UK is as well-disciplined on C-19 precautions as its priapic PM.

MickG0105 19th Jul 2021 11:08


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11081209)
Wembley was a special exemption under previously agreed to EUFA rules:

“Face coverings must be worn upon entry to the stadium and in all indoor areas. You can take it off ONLY when seated in view of the pitch," says the guide.

Sure, let's leave aside the fact that no one in the v Germany and v Italy photos is seated, let's look at the arrivals when face coverings were required.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a3d5242e9.jpeg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c0463f6dc.jpeg

Fantastic compliance?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1b4f161840.jpg

Evidence of a draconian lockdown?

KRviator 19th Jul 2021 11:09

From their data for the 18th July, 48,161 new daily cases, with 28 deaths. Corrected for population (66.65v25.36) gives 18,325 new cases and 10 deaths for an Australian "equivalent".

And yet everyone is up in arms about, what? 120 new cases total here? Puh-lease....:ugh:

Oh, and that's with 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

Turnleft080 19th Jul 2021 11:25


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11081167)
Can anyone believe that Neil Ferguson is still allowed to give his opinions publicly?!

I can say the same for all the CHOs, they operate with tunnel vision, one goal only, we must squash this virus into the ground and do this at any cost.
We will see if this bloke is wrong or right. I have more interest what will happen in the next 2 weeks in the UK than here in Melbourne.


minigundiplomat 19th Jul 2021 11:57

I have enjoyied watching the Australian Media (and Pruners) pass judgement on the UK’s opening up today, particularly the ABC.

The vaccine rollout here has been like watching old people shag, and the state premiers have repeatedly prioritised politics over mental health or business. Even now the nation is a hermit of North Korean magnitude and still has no credible blueprint for opening up international borders.

But hey, let’s judge the actions of other nations that have managed to vaccinate a meaningful proportion of their populations and are attempting to move on.




WingNut60 19th Jul 2021 12:02


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11081221)
And yet everyone is up in arms about, what? 120 new cases total here? Puh-lease....:ugh:

That's because they have gone from an actual zero (0) on 18 May to 48,000 today.
Despite 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

minigundiplomat 19th Jul 2021 12:07


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11081251)
That's because they have gone from an actual zero (0) on 18 May to 48,000 today.
Despite 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

ill speak slowly, maybe you’ll keep up. The vaccines don’t stop you catching Covid, they reduce the virulence to something comparable with lflu. Start getting over case numbers. Regardless of vaccines they are going up.

Or just stay locked up forever.


Fonz121 19th Jul 2021 12:12


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11081251)
That's because they have gone from an actual zero (0) on 18 May to 48,000 today.
Despite 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

The last time they had 7-day average case numbers as high as today they were getting 1200 deaths a day. This time, with the vaccine, it’s down to 40. So if your point is that the vaccine isn’t doing anything, you are horribly mistaken.

Green.Dot 19th Jul 2021 12:15


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11081251)
That's because they have gone from an actual zero (0) on 18 May to 48,000 today.
Despite 87.9% of their adult population having had their first dose and 68.3% having had their second dose!

I hope you do more study for your next sim/check flight than you do with your vaccine research.

Not sure how many times it has to be explained that being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t get COVID.

What is happening in the UK right now is extremely encouraging. Cases are back through the roof but deaths and hospitalisations are ACCEPTABLY low. (Standing by for comment saying “what if it was your mother or father?”)

When Australia follows suit with a suitably vaccinated population we have a lot to look forward to towards the end of the year.



minigundiplomat 19th Jul 2021 12:18


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11081260)
Not sure how many times it has to be explained that being vaccinated doesn’t mean you can’t get COVID.

What is happening in the UK right now is extremely encouraging. Cases are back through the roof but deaths and hospitalisations are ACCEPTABLY low. (Standing by for comment saying “what if it was your mother or father?”)

When Australia follows suit with a suitably vaccinated population we have a lot to look forward to towards the end of the year.

Totally agree,

but the fed and state governments (and the media) need to stop with the case numbers. They WILL go up, and the public need to understand this.

Green.Dot 19th Jul 2021 12:25


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11081268)
Totally agree,

but the fed and state governments (and the media) need to stop with the case numbers. They WILL go up, and the public need to understand this.

As unpleasant as the recent outbreaks and associated lockdowns are right now for many Australians I think longer term it is probably the best thing that could have happened to us for exactly the reasons you have said.

WingNut60 19th Jul 2021 12:49

What you guys do not seem to understand is that Australia does not have the UK's vaccination rates and is not likely to any time soon but you ALL speak as though the best thing all round would be to throw the gates wide open right now.
Three more weeks and I and all of my close family and friends will have had our second A-Z. After that, you can open up whatever you like - just make sure that it's NSW first.
You might get a job with Rex for a while.

ruprecht 19th Jul 2021 12:58


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11081288)
you ALL speak as though the best thing all round would be to throw the gates wide open right now..

Oh stop your sooking, no one is saying that - except maybe that bloke who eats nothing but garlic. :rolleyes:


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