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layman 9th Aug 2021 04:32

Long Covid
 
On the weekend was speaking to someone who had Covid about August(?) last year.

Most days good but some days ‘crashing’ by mid-afternoon; just plain tired.

Over 70 but a keen bush walker & tennis player pre-Covid. Not doing either now.

Foxxster 9th Aug 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11092121)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...ital/100361200

Sydney numbers are high but I wouldn’t have thought them catastrophic and yet patients are already being diverted to Wollongong.

I don’t this as a reflection on Sydney hospitals just the additional workload Covid places on staff & facilities.

We’re going to need high levels of vaccination AND continued application of pandemic protocols for a while yet.


sydney is going to be locked down until at least early October, another 2 months. At least.

the problem is the length of time WuHu flu patients spend in icu. Normally a patient might spend a few days there, maybe a week if severe. The average for WuHu flu is more like 3 weeks. Or 21 days. So one WuHu flu patient is equivalent to about 5 or 6 normal patients.

SOPS 9th Aug 2021 05:30

And we have a man ( who is currently in hospital with Covid), who thought it would be a good idea to leave his lock down area in Sydney and travel to Byron Bay to spread some love, just before he would be admitted to hospital. This intelligent idea has now prompted calls for Byron Bay and surrounds to be locked down.

What part of …. Stay at Home.. aren’t these morons getting?

Foxxster 9th Aug 2021 05:37


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092131)
And we have a man ( who is currently in hospital with Covid), who thought it would be a good idea to leave his lock down area in Sydney and travel to Byron Bay to spread some love, just before he would be admitted to hospital. This intelligent idea has now prompted calls for Byron Bay and surrounds to be locked down.

What part of …. Stay at Home.. aren’t these morons getting?


I wish I thought differently. But I am over it. I really do not care if he lives or dies. And if he lives I would drag him off to jail for the rest of his selfish stupid life. Yes really. Same with anyone else who does this. And there have been several. Fines are not enough. Lock them up for a very very long time.

this is not a fooking joke. It is costing Sydney a BILLION a week. How may have died already in this latest outbreak. How many taken their own lives or have been tipped into mental illness, lost their life’s work and savings.

F*ck them. Just lock them away. Forever. They are responsible for deaths and billions in economic damage. I don’t care how old or young they are. F*ck them

Boe787 9th Aug 2021 05:55

Penalties are clearly not sufficient deterrent…..fines don’t matter to some…so perhaps if they seem to like moving around….take their drivers licence and passport from them for 5 Years!
As alluded to in previous posts, these transgressions are costing the country billions, so we need tougher penalties.

Potsie Weber 9th Aug 2021 06:02


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11092052)
Restriction eased in October then what? NSW will not be welcomed anywhere because the other states will be no where near a level of covid vaccination level. Strap in for the long haul if you’re i. Aviation, tourism industry we have a loooooong ride yet.

This! National Cabinet strategy is to aim for ZERO community spread. McGowan has stated this as the only option. Even once vaccination targets are reached across Australia, it’s hard to see states opening up to other states where community transmission is not under control. Thinking once we get to 80% we are sweet is not the way it is going to play out.

80% plus only controlled community spread, plus lockdowns plus closing borders plus quarantine is something we will be seeing for several more years.

KRviator 9th Aug 2021 06:02


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092131)
And we have a man ( who is currently in hospital with Covid), who thought it would be a good idea to leave his lock down area in Sydney and travel to Byron Bay to spread some love, just before he would be admitted to hospital. This intelligent idea has now prompted calls for Byron Bay and surrounds to be locked down.

What part of …. Stay at Home.. aren’t these morons getting?

Fuctifino, SOPS. Fuctifino.

Then there was the phuckwit who, despite being a close contact of a Newcastle case, left the Newcastle LGA on the train, and has caused Armidale to go into lockdown. Fast forward two days and what happens? Another asreclown leaves Newcastle and goes to Tamworth visiting a host of businesses. Cue the Tamworth lockdown from 1700 today. I needed to go to Tamworth this week That ain't gonna happen now.

I guess since they've set the precedent by not arresting / charging / jailing people that break the lockdown rules, there's no longer any real incentive to abide by them. A $1,000 fine? Pfft. Most of these pricks probably won't pay it anyway.


Originally Posted by Foxxxster
I wish I thought differently. But I am over it. I really do not care if he lives or dies. And if he lives I would drag him off to jail for the rest of his selfish stupid life. Yes really. Same with anyone else who does this. And there have been several. Fines are not enough. Lock them up for a very very long time.

this is not a fooking joke. It is costing Sydney a BILLION a week. How may have died already in this latest outbreak. How many taken their own lives or have been tipped into mental illness, lost their life’s work and savings.

F*ck them. Just lock them away. Forever. They are responsible for deaths and billions in economic damage. I don’t care how old or young they are. F*ck them

Couldn't agree more. I abide by the rules. My family abides by the rules - as do most PPruner's I'd suspect, and we'd rightly expect tea, no biscuits if we knowingly break them.

So why are these scrotes different?

43Inches 9th Aug 2021 06:48


So why are these scrotes different?
Simple answer, for contact tracing to work people have to be not afraid to tell the truth, no matter how stupid. I agree with the above posts that he should be drawn and quartered, but it can send the wrong message and people start to clam up about movements in fear of being penalised.

As I've said before you just have to account for the stupid when setting rules.

A bit like death penalties can make offenders more ruthless when faced with it and cost the society more than the idea they may get away with some life after incarceration.

SOPS 9th Aug 2021 07:01


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092131)
And we have a man ( who is currently in hospital with Covid), who thought it would be a good idea to leave his lock down area in Sydney and travel to Byron Bay to spread some love, just before he would be admitted to hospital. This intelligent idea has now prompted calls for Byron Bay and surrounds to be locked down.

What part of …. Stay at Home.. aren’t these morons getting?

And I will update myself… Byron Bay and surrounding areas have just been locked down. These people must be put in jail.

Foxxster 9th Aug 2021 07:10


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11092150)
Simple answer, for contact tracing to work people have to be not afraid to tell the truth, no matter how stupid. I agree with the above posts that he should be drawn and quartered, but it can send the wrong message and people start to clam up about movements in fear of being penalised.

As I've said before you just have to account for the stupid when setting rules.

A bit like death penalties can make offenders more ruthless when faced with it and cost the society more than the idea they may get away with some life after incarceration.




well you just give them another incentive

don’t cooperate immediately and face 20 years
cooperate and face only 10 years

the current situation is obviously NOT working

people are being contacted a week or two after visiting a place telling them they are a close contact because people are not cooperating with contact tracers. Sharpen their minds with a lengthy jail sentence.

this is not a minor crime. It is a crime that costs billions, that causes serious illness and even death. That is not minor. It needs to be treated like what is it. An EXTREMELY SERIOUS crime against society. And no that is not hyperbole.

blubak 9th Aug 2021 08:31


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092131)
And we have a man ( who is currently in hospital with Covid), who thought it would be a good idea to leave his lock down area in Sydney and travel to Byron Bay to spread some love, just before he would be admitted to hospital. This intelligent idea has now prompted calls for Byron Bay and surrounds to be locked down.

What part of …. Stay at Home.. aren’t these morons getting?

And....apparently hasnt checked in at many or maybe all places he has visited & hasnt been at all co operative in revealing his movements.
Its 1 thing to blame governments for being slack or not doing what is expected of them but for somebody(& theres many others im sure) to act like this guy has is,as you say just beyond belief & no doubt the 'i didnt understand' or 'i have been victimised' line is yet to come.
So sick of these self entitled selfish morons.

Lead Balloon 9th Aug 2021 08:32

So we put infected people who deliberately ignore the lockdown rules into gaol? Would that be in a goal with unvaccinated warders and inmates?

If only Australia had proper quarantine facilities into which people could be put into secure and properly guarded isolation. We could incarcerate the deliberate non-compliers there, without risking others.

(I do laugh at those justifying pollie payrises on the basis that they were decided by an independent remuneration tribunal. Even assuming they're truly independent - pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells - they operate within a legislative framework that can be amended. For those who haven't been paying attention, the various legislatures have been creating laws like confetti over the last 18 or so months in response to the Covid threat. Amazing that they couldn't fit in the passing of a one sentence amendment to change the operation of the remuneration legislation temporarily. Truly amazing.)

3Greens 9th Aug 2021 08:34

We were having similar conversations here in the U.K. last April/May time as the original virus took hold across the country. Lockdown 1 was pretty well respected. Shops just, roads deserted, and people pretty much stayed at home. Lockdown 2 and 3 were differant. Shops had various interpretations of “essential” and so did the public when considering their movements. I guess it’s a natural part of human behaviour to become apathetic to it all if it doesn’t seem to personally effect them.
as things stand. We are pretty much back to normal here now, in fact I’ve just returned from a holiday in the Spanish islands which, apart from masks inside shops etc, was ops normal and it was lovely to see busy airports again.
the U.K. has made many many mistakes dealing with the virus, largely led by inept politicians who have u-turned several times, made several errors in judgement and even been caught breaking their own lockdown rules.
however, we are where we are, and now the vaccine rollout has gone extremely well, cases are still in their throusands per day but deaths are low and the hospitals are not now at a risk of becoming overwhelmed... the actual aim of any vaccine after all.
if there was somehow a way to combine Australia’s original containment with the U.K. Vaccine rollout and youd have a pretty good way to deal with a Coronavirus pandemic. As it is, Australia is going to have a bloody hard time to convince the populous to get the vaccine, which is after all the only way out of all of this.
you just can’t let it rip amongst the unvaccinated. Yes it has a high survival rate for the fit and healthy. But it does fill up hospital beds and you don’t want to be turned away for that heart attack or broken leg because the hospitals are full.

SOPS 9th Aug 2021 08:45


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11092201)
And....apparently hasnt checked in at many or maybe all places he has visited & hasnt been at all co operative in revealing his movements.
Its 1 thing to blame governments for being slack or not doing what is expected of them but for somebody(& theres many others im sure) to act like this guy has is,as you say just beyond belief & no doubt the 'i didnt understand' or 'i have been victimised' line is yet to come.
So sick of these self entitled selfish morons.

Jails have hospitals, do they not? Put him in one of them. He might start remembering where he has been in Byron. And I’m sorry.. but if I hear “
he didn’t understand because English is a second language”, as far as I am concerned he can be deported back to where ever his first language is.

dr dre 9th Aug 2021 08:45


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11092138)
This! National Cabinet strategy is to aim for ZERO community spread. McGowan has stated this as the only option. Even once vaccination targets are reached across Australia, it’s hard to see states opening up to other states where community transmission is not under control. Thinking once we get to 80% we are sweet is not the way it is going to play out.

80% plus only controlled community spread, plus lockdowns plus closing borders plus quarantine is something we will be seeing for several more years.

Actually No. The National Cabinet Plan isn't aiming for zero community spread after Phase C, which is at 80% vaccination. All states are due to hit that target by December. The WA CHO made this statement: WA's Chief Health Officer Andrew Robertson wants to see at least 80 per cent of the WA population vaccinated before we get to a point where lockdowns and border closures are no longer needed.

The key is vaccination numbers, and 70% initially, then 80% more firmly, to end restrictions.

rattman 9th Aug 2021 08:46


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092153)
And I will update myself… Byron Bay and surrounding areas have just been locked down. These people must be put in jail.

And if social media is to be believed police are chasing his two kids who traveled with him


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11092211)
Jails have hospitals, do they not? Put him in one of them.

Cant put positive people into jail. They are fighting hard to keep it out of jails because it will rip through jails like its a cruise ship. Also part of the reason prisoners and jail staff were like 1A or 1B in priority Also note hes a staunch antivaxer

Foxxster 9th Aug 2021 08:52


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11092213)
And if social media is to be believed police are chasing his two kids who traveled with him



Cant put positive people into jail. They are fighting hard to keep it out of jails because it will rip through jails like its a cruise ship. Also part of the reason prisoners and jail staff were like 1A or 1B in priority Also note hes a staunch antivaxer

well I am sure they can find a secure place for one person. He will only be contagious for a week or two. Not much out of a ten or twenty year sentence he should get.

Foxxster 9th Aug 2021 08:56


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 11092202)
So we put infected people who deliberately ignore the lockdown rules into gaol? Would that be in a goal with unvaccinated warders and inmates?

If only Australia had proper quarantine facilities into which people could be put into secure and properly guarded isolation. We could incarcerate the deliberate non-compliers there, without risking others.

(I do laugh at those justifying pollie payrises on the basis that they were decided by an independent remuneration tribunal. Even assuming they're truly independent - pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells - they operate within a legislative framework that can be amended. For those who haven't been paying attention, the various legislatures have been creating laws like confetti over the last 18 or so months in response to the Covid threat. Amazing that they couldn't fit in the passing of a one sentence amendment to change the operation of the remuneration legislation temporarily. Truly amazing.)

they are all vaccinated. They were amongst the first, for obvious reasons.

as for quarantine stations. If you are referring to using them for returning Australians then none of the major outbreaks including this one would have been stopped by using them.

but for those that break the rules I am sure something could be arranged. They could isolate at home using ankle bracelets until no longer contagious which would only be a week or two. No that hard really is it.

Lead Balloon 9th Aug 2021 09:01


[T]hey are all vaccinated. They were amongst the first, for obvious reasons.
Bollocks.

And, due to minimum length requirements on this forum: Complete bollocks.

highflyer40 9th Aug 2021 09:03


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11092036)
The people listening to the anti everythings need to read it also,very likely it will be too late to change their mind if they get it.
Have just been reading the booking system for the under 40s group has gone into overdrive since the announcement yesterday that they can get it.looks like people are really keen which is great for all of us.

This is a reply I posted in the Coronvirus thread but thought I would also put it here as it is direct correlation to the above stories as well.

“The problem with just quoting the stats for deaths is it does not take into account the wider ramifications. Someone I work with is in her early 30’s and runs half marathons all the time. She caught CV19 and like you said was floored for 2 days and then back to normal…. A week later and we haven’t seen her for 4 weeks. She can barely get out of bed and can’t climb one flight of stairs without taking a break midway through. Doctors have told her this could last weeks, months or years. They just don’t know.

There are many more out there who are suffering debilitating effects of the virus than have died from the virus.”


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