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SOPS 12th Aug 2021 04:50

And the morons from Sydney continue to surprise ……


https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...4bbb33318d3e3c

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 04:51


Exactly 43, thats exactly whats happening. The so called 'National Cabinet' needs to come clean, let the people that elected them see the documents they base their decisions on. They are Public Servants, not Dictators. Your 'sweeping' responses are a farce for the rest of the community that have their own intelligence!
Ermm, when I post the documents for all to see the nutters just say its not correct and the government are lieing. So it would be a waste of money for them to post anymore because, most of the community trust they are doing the right thing, and those that don't wont trust them to release the truth anyway. The conspiracy theorist will always see a conspiracy, so you just ignore that part of the community and let them rant, is the usual government methodology.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:11


Most of the community trust what they are doing?

Like I said, your sweeping statements are a farce!

Im not going to engage with you
They are sweeping statements as what happens on state and federal levels is about what the majority of the community want. And the general view from surveys is that the majority support what is being done.

70% of Victorians approve of the way Premier Andrews is handling his job, but 76% say the Victorian Government should compensate small business - Roy Morgan Research

A poll taken during Melbourne's long lockdown last year.

?Mortgage stress? near record low in mid-2021 - Roy Morgan Research

Mortgage stress also down this year.

I could dig up more statistical facts, but you would just regard them as sweeping statements.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:19


Its people like yourselves that refuse to know the truth. Whats more disturbing, is that your pushing an Anti-Vaxx / Conspiracy campaign. If you believe in Extinction Rebellion, in which you probably do, we are all going to die anyway so.. Who cares!!
What a weird and wonderful conclusion. All the things that you seem to be standing for you accuse us of?

Dannyboy39 12th Aug 2021 05:19


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093863)
They are sweeping statements as what happens on state and federal levels is about what the majority of the community want. And the general view from surveys is that the majority support what is being done.

70% of Victorians approve of the way Premier Andrews is handling his job, but 76% say the Victorian Government should compensate small business - Roy Morgan Research

A poll taken during Melbourne's long lockdown last year.

?Mortgage stress? near record low in mid-2021 - Roy Morgan Research

Mortgage stress also down this year.

I could dig up more statistical facts, but you would just regard them as sweeping statements.

I wish people (including politicians) wouldn’t put as much credence on these straw polls… there was a poll in the U.K. recently that said 20-25% of people didn’t want nightclubs to open again or borders to ever open, Covid or not.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:23


I wish people (including politicians) wouldn’t put as much credence on these straw polls… there was a poll in the U.K. recently that said 20-25% of people didn’t want nightclubs to open again or borders to ever open, Covid or not.
There is nothing wrong with that poll, I could imagine many religious and other pious members of society have those feelings. The fact they are only 25% means they should not be catered for. Prohibition happened in the US because of those types getting into power. Using that to discredit poll statistics is wrong, the poll is what it is. The accuracy depends on the credibility of the poll method and sample size.

Polls/Surveys are essential for governance, you cant hold a referendum for every decision. But you do need to ensure most are in the public interest.

SOPS 12th Aug 2021 05:27


Originally Posted by Blackout (Post 11093864)
Morons from Sydney?

Your another farce.

You people are filled with nothing but emotion, are rude and its becoming quite disturbing.

Ive noticed their are just a small bunch of people on here, tagging each other along, abusing everyone else and have no idea really about the bigger picture.

Its people like yourselves that refuse to know the truth. Whats more disturbing, is that your pushing an Anti-Vaxx / Conspiracy campaign. If you believe in Extinction Rebellion, in which you probably do, we are all going to die anyway so.. Who cares!!

You are so wrong. How am I pushing an anti vaxx campaign ?? I’m fully vaxed. As for Extinction Rebellion .., spare me!!!

However if people want this lock down madness to end, people have to stop moving around while they are infectious and get vaccinated. What’s so hard about that!

And please Blackout explain the ‘truth’ that we refuse to know.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:32


I was referring to this bunch pushing your an anti vaccs / conspiracy theorist if you dont follow and believe the diatribe coming from their keyboard mouths.
You only get called out if you make a statement that is disagreed with. If you want to debate it, come up with evidence of your argument and show us you are right. Modern society evolves through debate of topics, not just one statement and that's it. My sweeping statements as you see fit to call them come from statistical data, no emotion or creative mental gymnastics going on.

Emotive would be saying "everyone is going broke and suiciding" when the data sets say the complete opposite. Another emotive statement would be

The so called 'National Cabinet' needs to come clean, let the people that elected them see the documents they base their decisions on. They are Public Servants, not Dictators.
As its based on your thought that some conspiracy happening and no actual fact of collusion or wrongdoing.

If you feel down and out, see a doctor, chat with some friends, don't go saying everyone else is the same.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 05:40

43 inches also believes that Greta Thunberg, Elon Musk, Richard Branson and Bill Gates are well meaning intellects, almost visionaries, who absolutely know better than any other human being on earth.

I've said it before - politicians/governments are the biggest bunch of lying, deceitful bullshit peddling parasites on this planet. They spin, twist, deflect and manipulate at every given opportunity. How any adult in this day and age could believe a single word, report or statistic that these people produce is absolutely beyond me. And to add to that - apparently they care about our wellbeing? HA HA HA. Nothing they do is for the little person. It is always about self interest, self preservation and self entitlement.
Cloud cuckoo land has blanketed so many it is frightening.





Lead Balloon 12th Aug 2021 05:41


[T]here is no evidence of extra bankruptcies, suicides etc. ...

House prices are up, inflation is creeping up, unemployment is down. A survey of businesses has found 20% of business is struggling to find enough workforce etc etc.

If you are a Pilot, well these are the hard times the old pilots have talked about. Part of the job, boom bust etc.

Now there were some extra bankruptcy protections added in 2020, but the rate should have been much higher by now with the 6 month period ended for the first round.

[W]hat happens on state and federal levels is about what the majority of the community want. And the general view from surveys is that the majority support what is being done.

Mortgage stress also down this year.
Then it must follow that Australia should continue with random international and state border closures and capital city shutdowns, indefinitely, etc etc. They are evidently 'good' for us. Your statistical facts prove it.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:42

Now here is some questions for those so opposite;

One, What is the conspiracy being brought upon us, that is, what does each state government gain by locking us down as opposed to allowing free and open business?

Two, What will you learn from getting to view the minutes from national cabinet meetings (other than government meetings are awkward and boring)?

Three, What would be your solution to the problem at hand, instead of lockdown that is and border closures?


43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:46


Then it must follow that Australia should continue with random international and state border closures and capital city shutdowns, indefinitely, etc etc. They are evidently 'good' for us. Your statistical facts prove it.
Statistical fact does mean all could not be better, that is twisting the meaning. My reasoning is all is not that bad, and that the lockdown while having some effect are not doom and gloom.

I spose Its trying to move people from glass half empty to glass half full. The glass is still less full than it could be, but it definitely ain't a depression out there, it doesn't even qualify as a recession anymore.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 05:54


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093881)
Statistical fact does mean all could not be better, that is twisting the meaning. My reasoning is all is not that bad, and that the lockdown while having some effect are not doom and gloom.

I spose Its trying to move people from glass half empty to glass half full. The glass is still less full than it could be, but it definitely ain't a depression out there, it doesn't even qualify as a recession anymore.

OMG. “Twisting the meaning”. I’ve read everything now. You e lost your argument with that statement mate. And and we aren’t in a depression or recession because wait for it, you say so! Gold! If that’s the case and everything is good, go ask the Reserve Governor as to why they are printing money. Go on. Give him a call. FFS. Stick with your glass half full dream. You obviously need that comfort blanket.

Lead Balloon 12th Aug 2021 05:54

43Inches

Your questions are framed in way that suggest anyone who disagrees with you is a conspiracy theorist.

First, the efforts of all governments are aimed at saving an estimated 30,000 lives. Unfortunately, they are half-arsed efforts and may end up with the worst of both worlds (subject of course to your statistical facts showing that the economy is going great guns doing fine). They are 'lockdowns' in name only. The borders aren't 'closed'.

Secondly, transparency, even if demonstrating that the minuted meeting was awkward and boring, used to be a 'thing' in a liberal democracy.

Thirdly, do what the words mean. "Lockdown". "Close" the borders. Then we'll see how your statistical facts and the popularity of the state premiers go.

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 05:55


43 inches also believes that Greta Thunberg, Elon Musk, Richard Branson and Bill Gates are well meaning intellects, almost visionaries, who absolutely know better than any other human being on earth.
I don't know any of them personally, only one I dislike is Branson, just a rich moron. Gates at least has donated most of his wealth, as a person don't know the guy. Thunberg, good on her, having the guts to stand up for what you believe in at that age, anyone that wants to attack her cause shes a young girl talking about world issues get over it, I think you just have inferiority complexes or just feel emasculated because she has more balls than most men, have to say I havn't heard or listened to much of what she's said, but she's welcome to any opinion. Musk, not sure on him, rich like Branson, seems more philanthropic, other than that acted like a goose when the Thais didn't want his submarine.

Not sure what my views on them amounts to, but there you go...

43Inches 12th Aug 2021 06:00


Your questions are framed in way that suggest anyone who disagrees with you is a conspiracy theorist.
Simply because if you read back a large proportion of those against have mentioned at some point there is some conspiracy happening, hence the lockdowns. Most others have provided some form of reasoning to their thinking and broadened the debate.

F

First, the efforts of all governments are aimed at saving an estimated 30,000 lives. Unfortunately, they are half-arsed efforts and may end up with the worst of both worlds (subject of course to your statistical facts showing that the economy is going great guns). They are 'lockdowns' in name only. The borders aren't 'closed'.
Never said the economy was going great guns, I said it was doing fine.



OMG. “Twisting the meaning”. I’ve read everything now. You e lost your argument with that statement mate. And and we aren’t in a depression or recession because wait for it, you say so! Gold! If that’s the case and everything is good, go ask the Reserve Governor as to why they are printing money. Go on. Give him a call. FFS. Stick with your glass half full dream. You obviously need that comfort blanket.
You sound like you just jumped off the deep end there, are you OK?

Technical Recession is measured as two quarters of negative growth, the economy grew in the March quarter so no, not my opinion. There's also markers based on employment and Australia is well ahead on that. And if an economy is not even in recession its hardly going to be in Depression.

BTW answered earlier the difference between Australia and the US in spending stimulus during the pandemic, we are currently spending less than half per capita than the USA in proping up our economy. Which is why inflation in the US is kicking off up to 5 % now.

Paragraph377 12th Aug 2021 09:03


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11093886)
Simply because if you read back a large proportion of those against have mentioned at some point there is some conspiracy happening, hence the lockdowns. Most others have provided some form of reasoning to their thinking and broadened the debate.

F

Never said the economy was going great guns, I said it was doing fine.




You sound like you just jumped off the deep end there, are you OK?

Technical Recession is measured as two quarters of negative growth, the economy grew in the March quarter so no, not my opinion. There's also markers based on employment and Australia is well ahead on that. And if an economy is not even in recession its hardly going to be in Depression.

BTW answered earlier the difference between Australia and the US in spending stimulus during the pandemic, we are currently spending less than half per capita than the USA in proping up our economy. Which is why inflation in the US is kicking off up to 5 % now.

Inflation is out of control in the USA, Europe and Australia. That actually isn’t a good thing. You really think all these nations have sustainable debt levels? I don’t think so. Printing money (QE), negative interest rates, they are all just desperate measures to keep the reaper away. Just kicking the can farther down the road. A reckoning there will be. The ponzi scheme will come crashing down, maybe not this month or this year, but it is inevitable. Bubbles galore - bonds, vehicles, housing. The clock is ticking. Anyway, it was fun sparring, each to their own and best wishes and all of that stuff. Cheers



A320 Flyer 12th Aug 2021 09:37


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093943)
Inflation is out of control in the USA, Europe and Australia. That actually isn’t a good thing. You really think all these nations have sustainable debt levels? I don’t think so. Printing money (QE), negative interest rates, they are all just desperate measures to keep the reaper away. Just kicking the can farther down the road. A reckoning there will be. The ponzi scheme will come crashing down, maybe not this month or this year, but it is inevitable. Bubbles galore - bonds, vehicles, housing. The clock is ticking. Anyway, it was fun sparring, each to their own and best wishes and all of that stuff. Cheers

Jesus you must get a lot of dinner invitations…..

MickG0105 12th Aug 2021 10:21


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 11093943)
Inflation is out of control in the USA, Europe and Australia.

Out of control?!

The annual inflation rate for the US for the 12 months ending April 2021 was 4.2 percent, for the 12 months ending May it was 5.0 percent, for June 5.4 percent and for July it was similarly 5.4 percent. In other words, after rising steeply earlier in the year as the economy recovered inflation is showing signs of plateauing.

In Europe the annual inflation rate for the 12 months ending April was 2.0 percent, for the 12 months ending June it was 2.2 percent. Neither particularly high nor showing signs of being out of control.

In Australia the annual inflation rate for the 12 months ending June was 3.8 percent, with nearly half of that headline rate coming from the September quarter 2020 bounce back of 1.6 percent (the preceding quarter, June 2020 was -1.9 percent). That 1.6 percent will drop out of the 12 monthly calculation when the next quarter's rates are calculated. With underlying inflation running at around 1.6 percent our September quarter's annual inflation rate will likely be around 3 percent, falling to around 2.8 percent by the end of the year.

SOPS 12th Aug 2021 11:12

At the risk of Blackout making wild accusations……

Idiots from Sydney continue to crate chaos … this girl should be in jail.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...urce/100373210


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