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aviation_enthus 30th May 2021 16:05


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11053959)
The federal government has a strong mandate for continuing with the current policy. This Lowy poll from earlier this month shows a 95% approval rating for how the government has handled Covid. This poll was conducted after the rollout was delayed and widely reported as ‘bungled.’ I think even with the current Melbourne lockdown, you’ll find overwhelming support for the government’s handling of Covid. Virtually no one wants open borders.

Most of the people here are just shouting into the wind.

If you actually listened to the “people shouting in the wind” you’d probably notice a lot of them are frustrated with the apparent lack of plan from the Feds on when things will reopen.

Comments from the PM like:

”it’s not a race”

”borders MAY reopen in 2023”

Does not fill anyone with hope they have any f****** idea what comes next.

Australians are happy with the “way things have been handled” because they haven’t experienced any alternative. Plus the outside world has basically been presented as the zombie apocalypse. But is the border opening dependent on an opinion poll or the various levels of governments doing their job and LEADING the country forward?

The ONLY way forward is to vaccinate as many people as possible as FAST as possible. Nothing else offers any protection. We’ve had 17 different outbreaks from HQ and this will continue on until eternity with the current border restrictions. Closing the border is not a sustainable medium term option, vaccination is the only way out of this mess.

GET ON WITH IT!!

SHVC 30th May 2021 21:38

Good news is Victoria can’t keep up with vaccinations they’re turning ppl away. Now we just need outbreaks in the other states and territories to get a kick up the a$$.

Also, could someone tell me what this J.Weimar fellow is actually supposed to be doing? Doesn’t seem a lot.


ScepticalOptomist 31st May 2021 01:05


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11054249)
Good news is Victoria can’t keep up with vaccinations they’re turning ppl away. Now we just need outbreaks in the other states and territories to get a kick up the a$$.

Also, could someone tell me what this J.Weimar fellow is actually supposed to be doing? Doesn’t seem a lot.


People just need a little motivation sometimes!

WingNut60 31st May 2021 01:39


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11054330)
People just need a little motivation sometimes!

That's what he said.

ScepticalOptomist 31st May 2021 02:01


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11054341)
That's what he said.

And I agreed with him. :-)

SHVC 31st May 2021 02:50

Victorians being keen as to get jabbed now. Theoretically speaking, if all of Vic residents get the jab and the other states and territories are still fluffing in the wind. that would mean we would have to close off to Vic because there would be no need for them to test for the virus it would become the common flu there, thats why we want the vaccine right?! This will be interesting for sure.

minigundiplomat 31st May 2021 03:11

There’s a new Vietnamese killer mutant death strain looming into the horizon according to the media...

it just reminds me of the war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia; never seems to approach any end.


Foxxster 31st May 2021 08:02

With all this scaremongering over the AstraZeneca vaccine….

ooops.



Asturias56 31st May 2021 08:05

All vaccines work, none increase your chance of death significantly, if at all. Compared to the risk from Covid you're always better off having the vaccine

dr dre 31st May 2021 09:21


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11054443)
With all this scaremongering over the AstraZeneca vaccine….

ooops.

That’s because for about two months from late Jan to late March France and Germany restricted use of AZ to under 65. Persons in that cohort will have a lower risk of dying of natural causes in the weeks after the vaccine compared to the older age bracket who got mostly Pfizer so overall this has skewed the death rate to being higher overall for Pfizer.

And you’d realise that if you got your news from a better source than RT.


blubak 31st May 2021 09:29


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11054446)
All vaccines work, none increase your chance of death significantly, if at all. Compared to the risk from Covid you're always better off having the vaccine

Agree 100%,basically nobody thinks twice about vaccinating their kids,nobody thinks twice about being vaccinated if needed to enter a country on a holiday destination where its required & even if somebody does have complications after the jab it doesnt make headlines.
People have reactions to the common flu vaccination but lots still have it,just saying...

Capn Rex Havoc 31st May 2021 09:41


Agree 100%,basically nobody thinks twice about vaccinating their kids,nobody thinks twice about being vaccinated if needed to enter a country on a holiday destination where its required & even if somebody does have complications after the jab it doesnt make headlines.
People have reactions to the common flu vaccination but lots still have it,just saying...
The testing for these vaccines have not been remotely as rigorous as previous vaccines.......

One used to choose to go to another country and choose whether to get vaccinated or not.....



Fonz121 31st May 2021 10:26


...and choose whether to get vaccinated or not.....
Has this changed?

Foxxster 31st May 2021 11:29


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11054484)
That’s because for about two months from late Jan to late March France and Germany restricted use of AZ to under 65. Persons in that cohort will have a lower risk of dying of natural causes in the weeks after the vaccine compared to the older age bracket who got mostly Pfizer so overall this has skewed the death rate to being higher overall for Pfizer.

And you’d realise that if you got your news from a better source than RT.

oh I realise an awful lot about what was going on in Europe and the political games they were playing with the AstraZeneca vaccine. In fact I know more than you I would gamble.

as you missed the point entirely of my post I will make it simple for you.

the scaremongering, yes if you’d paid attention you would have spotted i used that word, over the AstraZeneca vaccine has been verging on hysterical. With every case of clotting and every death making headlines. And with little facts surrounding it in terms of how rare it really is. However seeing as the Pfizer vaccine also has complications as per the study then why no spotlight on it. People die with Pfizer, and more than AstraZeneca per this report. Underlying facts don’t matter to the mainstream media or many in the general public.

Hope that was patronising enough .


turbantime 31st May 2021 11:47


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11054562)
oh I realise an awful lot about what was going on in Europe and the political games they were playing with the AstraZeneca vaccine. In fact I know more than you I would gamble.

as you missed the point entirely of my post I will make it simple for you.

the scaremongering, yes if you’d paid attention you would have spotted i used that word, over the AstraZeneca vaccine has been verging on hysterical. With every case of clotting and every death making headlines. And with little facts surrounding it in terms of how rare it really is. However seeing as the Pfizer vaccine also has complications as per the study then why no spotlight on it. People die with Pfizer, and more than AstraZeneca per this report. Underlying facts don’t matter to the mainstream media or many in the general public.

Hope that was patronising enough .

That’s not exactly how you presented your argument in your original post. FWIW, I came to a similar conclusion to De Dre. I’m glad you’ve cleared that up now, but it might be worthwile expanding on your point of view in the future.

Bula 31st May 2021 13:54

You have to die of something. At the end of the day you will get the flu, and whether you like it or not you will get Covid, or a mutation of the original Covid 19.

Have the jab, don’t have the jab. Whatever works. Just don’t regret not having the jab when it’s too late.

We have a circuit breaker in this country. Enough time for everyone to make up their own mind. Rely on herd immunity, or risk death associated with a jab. Herd immunity only works when we have enough people brave enough to protect their family by putting their lives on the line. Melodramatic?

Herd immunity has worked with disease and infection of similar R values, so make a choice and let’s move on.

601 1st Jun 2021 02:07


If you actually listened to the “people shouting in the wind” you’d probably notice a lot of them are frustrated with the apparent lack of plan from the Feds on when things will reopen.
So you want a plan set in concrete when the thing you are planning against is a moving target.
Best have a flexible idea that can change with the moving target.

A good example is QF62. If they had stuck with the "plan" as per the checklist, what would have been the outcome?

We have to deal with what is thrown at us.
Different variants, restrictions of AZ being released from Europe, vaccine hesitancy, etc.

Who thought in March 2020 that we have had less that 1000 deaths in Oz.
Be bl000y thankful that our management has been one of the most successful.
We have an awful lot of "experts" marched out by the media saying we should do this or should have done that.
I would rather go with their cohort who are advising the Government who would have access to the latest information.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 1st Jun 2021 02:22


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11054519)
Has this changed?

For some, yes
https://simpleflying.com/alliance-va...n-requirement/

Foxxster 1st Jun 2021 07:08


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11054498)
The testing for these vaccines have not been remotely as rigorous as previous vaccines.......

One used to choose to go to another country and choose whether to get vaccinated or not.....


very interesting..

from this guy

Byram Bridle, Associate Professor of Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph in Canada . Note the captions are not completely correct. Probably done by a robot.


ScepticalOptomist 1st Jun 2021 07:17


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11054936)
So you want a plan set in concrete…..

Be bl000y thankful that our management has been one of the most successful.

No, we just want A plan. One that is based on sound data and analysis - not a knee jerk reaction.

There hasn’t been any “management” - it’s been a farce - the fact we are an isolated island is what has “saved” us.

The monkeys in charge haven’t managed to get quarantine right, nor implemented a strategy to “open up”. They are reactive and care more about how they look politically than doing the right thing by the country.

The easily impressed and molly
coddled think they’re being “kept safe”.

Lets see what the exit strategies look like and compare notes in a few months time. I reckon we’re not going to be on top of the pack.


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