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aviation_enthus 19th Jun 2021 07:44


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11064592)
The risk here is probably different compared to previous outbreaks as the Delta is ripping across the UK doubling cases every 10 days, as they re commence the upward trend on the graphs again.

If people walk past each other in stores and pickup the Delta which is what went on in Myer here, then it will be seeding all over the city. We won’t really know for another week or two.

Masks indoors will prevent much of that. Delta is a prick of thing to contain once seeding commences.

Its not just about cases in the UK. Unlike Aus, they’ve actually vaccinated a large number of their population.

This means the cases can rise, BUT the hospitalisation rate now becomes the key figure. If their health system can cope because the numbers in hospital is dramatically lower, no need for another lockdown.

Stop stressing about the “cases” and look at home many are actually in hospital.


Picking the last day data is available for both (June 14th). Versus a random day in May:

Daily hospitalisations:
May 8th - 109
June 14th - 221 (a 202% increase)

Daily COVID cases:
May 8th - 1986
June 14th - 7742 (a 390% increase)

Both of these figures are coming off a low base, HOWEVER….

It’s still clear that the high number of vaccinated people in the UK is making a big difference. Plenty of evidence from Israel that vaccines work in reducing the severity of COVID as well.



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
Hospitalisations in the UK.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Current daily cases.

PoppaJo 19th Jun 2021 07:54

I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.

Fonz121 19th Jun 2021 09:51

[size=13px]Penny pinching over a vaccine. If you’re in aviation and voted for these muppets than you get what you deserve I guess. “But..but.. Labor!!”. Yeah sure, they’re a pain in the arse managing the state borders but I bet we wouldn’t be where we are now if they were in control of the vaccine supply. Mainly due to them doing what half of you usually whinge about; spending money.[/size]

“Three sources told Swan that the Federal Government sent an inexperienced procurement officer to the meeting who “started nickel and diming on the costs”.

Pfizer had allegedly wanted to make an example out of Australia about how to properly conduct a vaccine rollout, similarly to how Israeli handled theirs. Instead, the Federal Government came back in November 2020 and ordered only 10 million doses of Pfizer.”


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/gover...-in-july-2020/

aviation_enthus 19th Jun 2021 09:51


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11064619)
I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.

You are spot on!!!

All this talk of travel bubbles and foreign students coming in just a distraction from the fact the vaccine rollout is to slow.

Oh but it’s “not a race”…….. 🤬🤮🤦‍♂️

Transition Layer 19th Jun 2021 12:59


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11064619)
I get that, and the point I was making is we are two different worlds. In these places that are approaching herd immunity, Delta can rip across and lockdowns or restrictions are not needed. Huge positive that the vaccine still prevents people with the Delta getting very sick. Unfortunately we don’t have that luxury.

We are a vulnerable country for what will probably be the next few quarters, Delta can rip across our land and cause all sorts of problems.

Try making a post without using “rip” or “ripping”. It’s that sort of sensationalism that we don’t need, and is extremely unhelpful. Unfortunately the media fuels the fire every day with such nonsense.

We are quickly becoming a very scared little irrelevant country that has been backed into a corner by poor leadership and decision making.

aviation_enthus 19th Jun 2021 14:09


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 11064758)
We are quickly becoming a very scared little irrelevant country that has been backed into a corner by poor leadership and decision making.

Quickly?

I think if we’re honest with ourselves, this process has been in motion since Rudd was knifed the first time.

Not commenting on Labor/Rudd per se, but since then both parties have been playing the same games and the result is the “best” government we can get…

Australia needs a reform program and a way forward that weans us off relying on high rates of immigration to hide our lack of progress.

Green.Dot 19th Jun 2021 21:22

Good point enthus

mattyj 19th Jun 2021 21:51

“Rip”, “ripping”,“delta strain”,“cases”….. spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

chookcooker 19th Jun 2021 22:34


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11064956)
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Ridiculous and misleading statement. You’re <60 includes all ages, including children who are overwhelmingly fine.
a 59 year old?? Absolutely not

itsnotthatbloodyhard 19th Jun 2021 22:59


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11064956)

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Is this what they call ‘unconscious irony’? Bloody funny, whatever it is.

Ladloy 19th Jun 2021 23:10


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11064956)
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Hopefully you don't get your news from Sky News. They're too busy saying sorry for spouting blatant lies.

mattyj 19th Jun 2021 23:11

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...cine/100222464

itsnotthatbloodyhard 19th Jun 2021 23:35


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11064985)

You do understand that ‘only recommended for over 60s’ is not the same as ‘more dangerous than Covid for under 60s’?

PoppaJo 19th Jun 2021 23:38


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11064956)
“Rip” “ripping” “delta strain” “cases”…spare me, do you work for the ABC or something

total hysteria..the vaccine is more dangerous than the delta strain if you’re younger than 60

Ripping: move forcefully and rapidly.

Apologies to the snowflakes who get upset at such language.


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Green.Dot 20th Jun 2021 01:24

Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).

SHVC 20th Jun 2021 01:34

Always happens around school holidays for some reason.

Fonz121 20th Jun 2021 01:44


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11065006)
Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).


I’d agree except there are no vaccines.

DirectAnywhere 20th Jun 2021 01:45


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11065006)
Well more pain for airlines over the school holidays with cases popping up everywhere but on the positive side this will do wonders for vaccination uptake across the country. (Hopefully).

It will nothing for vaccine uptake for the next few months as Australia simply doesn’t have enough doses of the only vaccine currently approved for under 60s (Pfizer) and won’t have for some time.

Maggie Island 20th Jun 2021 02:37


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11065010)
It will nothing for vaccine uptake for the next few months as Australia simply doesn’t have enough doses of the only vaccine currently approved for under 60s (Pfizer) and won’t have for some time.

As a 30yo I booked a vaccine slot at the start of the month with less than a weeks notice at a major vaccination center with the second jab locked in prior to the end of the month. Took me all of two minutes.

Fonz121 20th Jun 2021 02:42

From an Age article a few days ago:”Vaccination walk-ins were halted on Monday with people told to wait until the end of the week as the state government cut the number of Victorians able to get the Pfizer jab as part of the state’s vaccine rollout.

Almost three weeks after the state’s rollout of the Pfizer vaccine was extended to 40 to 49-year-olds, supply caps meant people were unable to make phone bookings for their first dose and those who walked up to mass vaccination hubs were turned away.”


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