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minigundiplomat 17th May 2021 20:51

Had my 1st jab last Friday in a clinic in FNQ, and they were doing a brisk trade. I had to sit around for 15 minutes afterwards and watched; there were 8 chairs in the waiting room and pretty much every time someone got up, someone new came in and sat down.

lc_461 17th May 2021 21:15


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11046382)
Tennis players have said they’re not willing to do another round of HQ so are not willing to do that for the open to go ahead. Doha or Dubai are in the running to take that slam off Australia. For the F1 to happen there is no chance of HQ as there is less than 14 days between the previous round.

Australia needs to wake up and keep living once these events leave our shores they’re gone forever and it would be a shame. Time to open up otherwise stop wasting money on a pointless vaccination program.

These are the kind of things that need to happen to try and change public opinion... either in terms of increasing vaccination coverage or just reopening the border in general. If Joe and Jane Public's life starts to be affected in more of a way than missing out on their annual Bali holiday, we might start to see some good momentum.

RodH 17th May 2021 21:43

In my local medical clinic it's the Dr. who gives the injection. Most other vaccinations are administered by nursing staff who are qualified.
The turn over of patients is quite quick so someone must be making quite a few dollars doing this simple task.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but why only the Dr. and not the usual nurses? As a previous poster put it " maybe a money spinner " here!!
Anyway the quicker it's done the sooner we can get everyone vaccinated and try to return to some sort of normalcy.

SHVC 17th May 2021 22:07

It is more efficient for a Dr to have a suitably qualified Nurse that can do it and not have a Dr supervise every injection, that being one that has completed an immunization course about 18hrs of study. A Nurse that has not completed it needs a Dr to supervise each injection therefore not efficient they may as well do it themself. Remember the Dr still has their regular patients that are seeing them for other more serious illness.
The vaccination program with a qualified Nurse is far more profitable for the Dr. A surgery that can do as little as 150 per week can be excess of $15,000 over 6months just for doing them.

Foxxster 17th May 2021 22:36

I also understand the legal requirements around these new vaccines is different to normal flu and travel type vaccines. Simply because these are new and therefore the reactions of patients hasn’t been as well documented as other vaccines which have been around for years. So a doctor has to be around in case of adverse reactions. This is why your local chemist wharehouse isn’t doing them.

And money spinner. The AstraZeneca vaccine is being sold by them at cost. The Pfizer and others are not. I saw a table of the costs per vaccine and it was something like $10 for Astra and $30 for Pfizer. Multiply that by billions and … I might go get some Pfizer shares.

In initial deals with the U.S. government, Pfizer and BioNTech's vaccine costs $19.50 per dose, compared with $15 for Moderna's shot, $16 for Novavax's program, $10 for Johnson & Johnson's vaccine and $4 for AstraZeneca's.

The publication reports that Pfizer and BioNTech approached European officials seeking €54 per dose, or €27 billion for 500 million doses, last summer.While officials negotiated the price down to €15.50 per dose,


Cost is another inhibiting factor with Moderna's vaccine coming in at $37 per jab while Pfizer & BioNTech state theirs will cost around $20 per dose.. University of Oxford and AstraZeneca ..also significantly cheaper than its counterparts at just $4 per dose.

morno 17th May 2021 22:53


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11046506)
I also understand the legal requirements around these new vaccines is different to normal flu and travel type vaccines. Simply because these are new and therefore the reactions of patients hasn’t been as well documented as other vaccines which have been around for years. So a doctor has to be around in case of adverse reactions. This is why your local chemist wharehouse isn’t doing them.

And money spinner. The AstraZeneca vaccine is being sold by them at cost. The Pfizer and others are not. I saw a table of the costs per vaccine and it was something like $10 for Astra and $30 for Pfizer. Multiply that by billions and … I might go get some Pfizer shares.

In initial deals with the U.S. government, Pfizer and BioNTech's vaccine costs $19.50 per dose, compared with $15 for Moderna's shot, $16 for Novavax's program, $10 for Johnson & Johnson's vaccine and $4 for AstraZeneca's.

The publication reports that Pfizer and BioNTech approached European officials seeking €54 per dose, or €27 billion for 500 million doses, last summer.While officials negotiated the price down to €15.50 per dose,


Cost is another inhibiting factor with Moderna's vaccine coming in at $37 per jab while Pfizer & BioNTech state theirs will cost around $20 per dose.. University of Oxford and AstraZeneca ..also significantly cheaper than its counterparts at just $4 per dose.

In covid clinics in Qld (at my local one anyway), run by Qld Health, the nurses administer it and there’s no doctor in the building.

Foxxster 17th May 2021 22:59


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11046509)
In covid clinics in Qld (at my local one anyway), run by Qld Health, the nurses administer it and there’s no doctor in the building.

interesting.

because I definitely remember hearing that doctors have to be there. That is also why there is the mandatory 15 minute observation period after the vaccine. Oh, maybe ignore my post. Also see now they have taken expressions of interest from community pharmacies…

maybe due to the large numbers worldwide they have relaxed the requirements.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/pro...-needed-to-cla

SHVC 17th May 2021 23:26

QLD health may be different, in NSW there has to be a Dr in the building or in the room depending on the Nurses qualifications.

morno 18th May 2021 00:20


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11046510)
interesting.

because I definitely remember hearing that doctors have to be there. That is also why there is the mandatory 15 minute observation period after the vaccine. Oh, maybe ignore my post. Also see now they have taken expressions of interest from community pharmacies…

maybe due to the large numbers worldwide they have relaxed the requirements.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/pro...-needed-to-cla

There’s always at least one nurse immuniser present who is qualified in advanced life support. Having a doctor sitting around for the very rare occasion that they’d be required is a waste of money and their time.

Foxxster 18th May 2021 06:11


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11046044)
Well everyone's favourite Premier Gladys has given the number of people she wants vaccinated in NSW before she'll open international borders:



NSW 9 million vaccines away from considering open (international) borders: Premier


well I have just heard that the total number of deaths she will accept is ZERO. This was in response to the CEO of Virgins comments saying we have to open up and accept that some people will die. You know like the flu every year… She, the CEO that is has been crucified all day for her insensitive comments.

so we can see where this is going or more accurately not going. International borders are going to remain firmly shut and any decision is going to err well and truely on the side of EXTREME caution. The state premiers and the PM have well and truly painted themselves into a very small corner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alia-boss.html

Don Diego 18th May 2021 06:38

The desire to make a buck is what made those words pop out of her mouth (JH), no surprise there, as long as the cashier is busy she couldn’t care less. The template for a successful election is simple, you lot can carry on and bitch all you like but it is too late, the die has been cast.

Agent_86 18th May 2021 23:01


Originally Posted by Don Diego (Post 11046637)
The desire to make a buck is what made those words pop out of her mouth (JH), no surprise there, as long as the cashier is busy she couldn’t care less.

And the cashier is ready to pay out Ms Jayne and the rest of the Exec. Team to the tune of $42.4m to get things moving for the Business!

Lookleft 19th May 2021 03:27

If its all about the money for JH then its all about the politics for the state premiers and the PM. The Tassie election has shown that anyone coming down hard on Covid border protections will win an election. If you want to know why the international borders are shut until October 22 then just look up when the next Federal election is due. JH and AJ want the borders open for their own self interest and the PM wants them closed for his, very simple logic

601 19th May 2021 05:28


My partner got their second Pfizer jab this morning at the biggest hospital vaccine clinic in Qld. Four people were there. In other words it was dead.
Strange as a close friend (RN working for Qld Health testing quarantine staff) had to source and get her jab in her own time. Non was offered by Qld Health.

Fonz121 19th May 2021 06:17

All QLD Health staff have received various emails telling them how they can get the jab.

LapSap 19th May 2021 08:13


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 11047260)
All QLD Health staff have received various emails telling them how they can get the jab.

Seems a rather nebulous sort of strategy?
Why not actively pursuing and facilitating them at their place of work???
I realize not all want it but isn’t the goal to try to get the vast majority done?
From my experience, sending staff numerous emails full of platitudes begging them to do something is doomed to fail.

morno 19th May 2021 09:14

Because you can’t just rock up to anywhere and give them a jab (by Australian standards anyway). You need the facilities to keep the vaccines plus also if something goes wrong, you need the ability to treat a patient.

aviation_enthus 19th May 2021 19:25


Originally Posted by Cafe City (Post 11045863)

PS. I’ll admit to normally being on the opposite side of politics to Dr Dre and some others no doubt but I’m getting fed up with the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine that Morrison has been playing the past few months. Get rid of the supercilious cheesy grin Scott and start taking Federal responsibility instead of duck-shoving everything to everybody else.

Hear, Hear!!

I know deep down it won’t be enough, but I think public opinion is starting to swing more and more against the “Prime Minister of Announcements”. Even been some critical articles against the PM in News Ltd papers.

He’s had his chance to lead and has clearly shown he doesn’t have what it takes. The PM of our country should have the ability to guide the country and take the people with him. Not make regular empty announcements and govern by what the latest Newspoll tells him...

“A manager does what’s right”

“A leader does the right thing”.

601 20th May 2021 06:57


He’s had his chance to lead and has clearly shown he doesn’t have what it takes.
By what standard do you make that call.
Against Trump, Boris, Biden, or the much touted European countries.
Last 7 Days Europe

Fuel-Off 20th May 2021 07:27

601, I see what you're trying to do there but allow me to show the numbers that actually matter.

This is the false equivalency that the Australian Government and to a certain extent the media, are constantly bashing into people's skulls: Cases = deaths, one for one. Cases are going up, but the deaths are way down now that the vaccines are seemingly living up to their promise - and that's with certain variants floating around. The EU is opening up to vaccinated tourists even to US citizens. The vaccine was never meant to eradicate virus but just to lessen the severity of the disease to something more manageable like the flu. Australia is on the wrong side of the drag curve with this one.
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