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ruprecht 1st Jun 2021 07:28


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11054936)
So you want a plan set in concrete when the thing you are planning against is a moving target.
Best have a flexible idea that can change with the moving target.

The only plan the government is interested in is the plan to get re-elected. Everything else is a sideshow.

Buster Hyman 1st Jun 2021 08:39


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11055026)
very interesting..

from this guy

Byram Bridle, Associate Professor of Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph in Canada . Note the captions are not completely correct. Probably done by a robot.

Non bot version here...

https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-...vaccines-sugge

ManillaChillaDilla 1st Jun 2021 08:42

What we are seeing is the political CFIT from both state and federal governments.

The constant failings and avoidable deaths simply cant be explained away.

The smugness of the Federal mob is excrutiating to watch and will have long term consequences for us all.

Professional scum.

MCD.





jrfsp 1st Jun 2021 09:31

Another case of transmission in HQ, this time in Perth - no risk to the community by the looks of it which is good.

"But it works 99.9% of time"

Green.Dot 1st Jun 2021 10:02

And at the good old Pan Pacific in Perth. Good thing none of the airline crews stay there.:ugh:

DirectAnywhere 1st Jun 2021 10:22


Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla (Post 11055082)
The smugness of the Federal mob is excrutiating to watch and will have long term consequences for us all. Professional scum.

Impressive to watch the PM throw Brendan Murphy under the bus in question time today rather than admit that, yes, indeed, the vaccine rollout is a race or admit to any shortcomings in his government's role in it. Disgusting.

C441 1st Jun 2021 10:45


Impressive to watch the PM throw Brendan Murphy under the bus in question time today rather than admit that, yes, indeed, the vaccine rollout is a race. Disgusting.
Brendan Murphy seems to be quite comfortable with the PM's response in question time….

Brendan Murphy defends Scott Morrison as Labor accuses Prime Minister of deflecting blame

601 1st Jun 2021 15:02


One that is based on sound data and analysis
And as the sound data and analysis change, shall we stick to a now outdated Plan A, or adjust our plan to suit the changing sound data and analysis??



aviation_enthus 1st Jun 2021 15:55


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 11055282)
And as the sound data and analysis change, shall we stick to a now outdated Plan A, or adjust our plan to suit the changing sound data and analysis??

You don’t seem to understand the point multiple people have been making....

Plan A was: “close the border”

Based on almost 18 months of “sound data and analysis” the follow on is????

”crickets”

ScepticalOptomist 1st Jun 2021 23:49


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11055307)
You don’t seem to understand the point multiple people have been making....

Plan A was: “close the border”

Based on almost 18 months of “sound data and analysis” the follow on is????

”crickets”

Precisely. This is what people like 601 are missing. The knee jerk “shut the border” between the states is WAY outdated - there has been no further development of the plan nor any nuance applied to it.

Anyone who dares question the plan gets the usual “but look what’s happening over there!”

We have zero idea domestically and even less idea what to do internationally.

We will be left quivering like scared children long after the world gets back to business unless the government get a crack on.

Foxxster 2nd Jun 2021 00:45

I think a major issue is the supply of the Pfizer vaccine. I understand it will not be available in large quantities, 1 million a week, until October under current contracts. Currently the number is around 300,000 a week. The bulk of our vaccines are the AstraZeneca. Which has had the scare campaign surrounding it both here and in many other countries.

the Pfizer is needed for a large number of the remaining unvaccinated as they are under 50 or are over 50 but holding out due to the scare campaign, yes including the chook premier in Queensland.

given that, our vaccination rates are still ramping up. Now at 4.24 million. But realistically we are not going to have wide scale opening of international borders until we have at least 50%+ vaccinated, similar to other countries that have or are considering some international travel. Which isn’t going to be until the end of this year at the earliest. And I suspect the same will relate to state borders as well.

having mentioned the scare campaign, that audio report I linked to has some potentially disturbing developments surrounding these vaccines. Which could have very wide implications.

Lookleft 2nd Jun 2021 00:52

Plan B has nothing to do with data or analysis but everything to do with the electoral cycle. Most of the population is quite happy with closed borders and the appearance of a strong government response. Look at the response to getting the vaccine now that there is an outbreak in Victoria. Two weeks ago very few were fronting up for the jab now fear of getting the disease is causing long queues. The next election is due next year well before October 2022. By then memories of closed borders and slow vaccine rollouts will be faded and the incumbent government will look like geniuses.

megle2 2nd Jun 2021 02:27

I’m with Lookleft, the election is Plan B, Plan C is the one you should be referring to

cessnapete 2nd Jun 2021 10:24


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11055535)
I think a major issue is the supply of the Pfizer vaccine. I understand it will not be available in large quantities, 1 million a week, until October under current contracts. Currently the number is around 300,000 a week. The bulk of our vaccines are the AstraZeneca. Which has had the scare campaign surrounding it both here and in many other countries.

the Pfizer is needed for a large number of the remaining unvaccinated as they are under 50 or are over 50 but holding out due to the scare campaign, yes including the chook premier in Queensland.

given that, our vaccination rates are still ramping up. Now at 4.24 million. But realistically we are not going to have wide scale opening of international borders until we have at least 50%+ vaccinated, similar to other countries that have or are considering some international travel. Which isn’t going to be until the end of this year at the earliest. And I suspect the same will relate to state borders as well.

having mentioned the scare campaign, that audio report I linked to has some potentially disturbing developments surrounding these vaccines. Which could have very wide implications.

Oh dear, Re the AZ 'scare". The risk of the AZ vaccine data shows it's far more dangerous to a refuse the vaccine, than the tiny proportion of possible blood clotting.
Large proportion of UK has,(me), and is still having the AZ. So we're all doomed here??

Cafe City 2nd Jun 2021 11:19

Absolutely infuriated with the farce of the vaccine rollout.
Just saw Brisbane 9 News story showing every man and his dog getting Pfizer while a huge % of Phase 1a have not had their first shot!
Muggins here did as we were told and booked for our 1b shots several weeks back and will be another 10 days til I have my first shot.
What the absolute F are you doing Feds and Qld Health?!!!!!!

Buster Hyman 2nd Jun 2021 16:20


Originally Posted by Cafe City (Post 11055762)
Absolutely infuriated with the farce of the vaccine rollout.
Just saw Brisbane 9 News story showing every man and his dog getting Pfizer while a huge % of Phase 1a have not had their first shot!
Muggins here did as we were told and booked for our 1b shots several weeks back and will be another 10 days til I have my first shot.
What the absolute F are you doing Feds and Qld Health?!!!!!!

This whole thing has degenerated into a mud slinging, party aligned mess & there's plenty of blame to share around Federal & State, Libs & Labor! God help us if we ever needed a genuine War Cabinet! :rolleyes:

Foxxster 2nd Jun 2021 23:39


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 11055726)
Oh dear, Re the AZ 'scare". The risk of the AZ vaccine data shows it's far more dangerous to a refuse the vaccine, than the tiny proportion of possible blood clotting.
Large proportion of UK has,(me), and is still having the AZ. So we're all doomed here??


being in the UK, you must be fully aware of the European response to AstraZeneca. Care to explain that to us. And why it is not be used in Australia for the under 50 age groups.

I’ll save you some work..

People under 40 will be offered an alternative to the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine where possible and while infection rates remain low, following a recommendation from government advisers.It comes after the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reviewed the speed and uptake of Covid vaccines in the UK and the latest figures on very rare blood clots after first shots of the AstraZeneca vaccine.


now I am not agreeing with those responses, just pointing out what has happened here and around the world. And yes, there are plenty in the over 50 age group waiting for the Pfizer vaccine because they have been scared off AstraZeneca, including one of our state premiers.

meanwhile..Pfizer's Covid vaccine is the 'probable' cause of heart inflammation in a very small number of people who get the jab, Israel's Health Ministry claimed today.

Analysis of the jab rollout there found there had been 148 cases of myocarditis, the medical name for swelling in the heart, shortly after the patient had been vaccinated.

A total of 275 cases have been spotted so far out of around five million people given the Pfizer jab in Israel, which has had one of the world's most successful jab rollouts. The remaining 127 are thought to have happened later so a link was unclear

shouldn’t there be a scare campaign against Pfizer now.

Chronic Snoozer 2nd Jun 2021 23:50


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11055931)
This whole thing has degenerated into a mud slinging, party aligned mess & there's plenty of blame to share around Federal & State, Libs & Labor! God help us if we ever needed a genuine War Cabinet! :rolleyes:



Chronic Snoozer 2nd Jun 2021 23:58

The 'fast moving beast'

ScepticalOptomist 3rd Jun 2021 01:48


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11056106)

Of course!

Politics to extend state of emergency etc far more likely a reason that the “Victorian” strain is so “deadly”…


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