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Bend alot 28th May 2021 23:31

WA very recently had a otherwise fit and healthy person die soon after getting vaccinated (about 2 weeks) - official cause of death was still to be determined as of last weekend.

I don't read the papers, but heard nothing about this other than from an employee of the deceased sisters.

Green.Dot 28th May 2021 23:38


Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc (Post 11053288)
1 in 88000 chance of getting a blood clot with the Astrazeneca. If there was a 1 in 88000 change of your engine blowing up you wouldn't go flying.

Yes you would. That’s why they started putting more than one engine on aeroplanes.

They didn’t call the Constellation the world’s best 3 engine airliner for nothing!

dr dre 28th May 2021 23:39


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 11053284)
Completely agree Dre. WA (and many Australians) living in their own little temporary dream land. One day (soon enough) their Utopia will burn down without decisive action to vaccinate the masses.

Well it isn’t just WA, I used that front page as an visual example but media all across Australia have pushed these scare mongering stories and then we wonder why vaccine hesitancy is high all across the country.

The fact Australia is only at 10% coverage whereas most first world and a lot of third world countries are approaching or above 50% is a failure of a lot of parties, the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in and they’ve failed to do so.


Buster Hyman 28th May 2021 23:40

I'm sure it was merely coincidence that the Vic State of Emergency was due to expire in a day or two and could only be extended with another 'emergency'...

dr dre 28th May 2021 23:44


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11053293)
I'm sure it was merely coincidence that the Vic State of Emergency was due to expire in a day or two and could only be extended with another 'emergency'...

Not true at all. It has been continuously extended every month of the pandemic.

WingNut60 29th May 2021 00:19


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053292)
........the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in...........

I always get a chuckle out of that one.
When did you last see that happen. Especially from a government that is heavily reliant on the ScoMo sound bites for its very existence.


ruprecht 29th May 2021 00:23

Scott Morrison's secret for political success is to always be the bearer of glad tidings, never the bearer of bad news. To make someone else carry the can when things go wrong.

Chronic Snoozer 29th May 2021 01:10


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053280)
Vaccine hesitancy is only going to increase given the ridiculous fearmongering some media have taken over vaccines:

The front page of tomorrow's The West Australian.

The border isn’t getting reopened without the vaccine rollout being completed so this is just fuelling the fire.

I wonder if Kerry has had the vaccine.

Clare Prop 29th May 2021 01:12


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053292)
the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in and they’ve failed to do so.

I agree with your post apart from this bit,do you really want the feds to have the power to censor the press?
I had the AZ and no side affects at all. It may immunise me from getting a bad case of Covid, but it doesn't give any other advantages whatsoever. If being vaccinated meant you didn't have to get locked down every time the hotel quarantine system leaks then people might be more likely to take it up.

dr dre 29th May 2021 01:27


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11053316)
I agree with your post apart from this bit,do you really want the feds to have the power to censor the press?

Not censoring the press but debunking false info.

What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer.

Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be.

Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election.

LapSap 29th May 2021 01:43


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053319)
Not censoring the press but debunking false info.

What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer.

Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be.

Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election.

Absolutely in violent agreement with you again dr dre.
Total failure on the part of the Feds to not having a campaign to debunk the absolute crap being espoused by some.

And thumbs up to ruprecht as well- as I’ve said before, I’m sick of his good cop/bad cop routine.

Capn Rex Havoc 29th May 2021 02:29

European Disease control data - from 28 May

Weekly surveillance summary

Overall situation

At the end of week 20 (week ending Sunday 23 May 2021), three countries in the European Union/European Economic Area (EU/EEA) had reported increasing case notification rates and/or test positivity. Case rates in older age groups had not increased in any countries; one country reported increasing hospital or intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and/or increasing occupancy due to COVID-19, and no countries reported increasing death rates. Absolute values of several indicators, including hospital and ICU occupancy, remained high, but trends for a number of indicators were stable or decreasing in several countries. Moreover, the median cumulative uptake of at least one vaccine dose among adults aged 18 years and above in the EU/EEA is 41.7% and increasing, as reported in the COVID-19 Vaccine rollout overview.

Recent changes to the report

Country-level figures showing age-specific vaccine uptake aligned with key epidemiological indicators (age-specific case and death rates, hospital/ICU occupancy and admissions due to COVID-19) in Section 5.

Trends in reported cases and testing
  • By the end of week 20, the 14-day case notification rate for the EU/EEA, based on data collected by ECDC from official national sources in 29 countries, was 132 (country range: 9-467) per 100 000 population. The rate has been decreasing for seven weeks.
  • Among the 24 countries with high case notification rates (at least 60 per 100 000 population), an increase was observed in one country (Denmark). Stable or decreasing trends in case rates of 1–12 weeks’ duration were observed in 23 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden).
  • Based on data reported to The European Surveillance System (TESSy) from 23 countries for people over 65 years old, high levels (at least 60 per 100 000 population) or increases in the 14-day COVID-19 case notification rates compared with last week were observed in 13 countries (Belgium, Cyprus, Czechia, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Sweden).
  • Notification rates are dependent on several factors, one of which is the testing rate. Weekly testing rates for week 20, available for 29 countries, varied from 616 to 73 134 tests per 100 000 population. Denmark had the highest testing rate, followed by Austria, Greece, Cyprus and Czechia.
  • Among the 13 countries in which weekly test positivity was high (at least 3%), no countries had observed an increase in test positivity compared with the previous week. Test positivity remained stable, or had decreased, in 13 countries (Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, Spain and Sweden).
Hospitalisation and ICU
  • Pooled data from 23 countries for week 20 show that there were 5.7 patients per 100 000 population in hospital due to COVID-19. According to weekly hospital admissions data pooled from 19 countries, new admissions were 3.6 per 100 000 population.
  • Pooled data from 18 countries for week 20 show that there were 1.4 patients per 100 000 population in ICU due to COVID-19. Pooled weekly ICU admissions based on data from 13 countries show that there were 1.2 new admissions per 100 000 population.
  • Hospital and/or ICU occupancy and/or new admissions due to COVID-19 were high (at least 25% of the peak level during the pandemic) or had increased compared with the previous week in 20 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden). However, in 23 countries, there were decreases in these indicators compared with the previous week.
Mortality
  • The 14-day COVID-19 death rate for the EU/EEA, based on data collected by ECDC from official national sources for 30 countries, was 31.0 (country range: 0.0-105.0) per million population. The rate has been decreasing for four weeks.
  • Among the 21 countries with high 14-day COVID-19 death rates (at least 10 per million), no increases were observed. Stable or decreasing trends in death rates of 1–9 weeks’ duration were observed in 21 countries (Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain).
Variants of concern (VOC) and variants of interest (VOI)
  • Sequencing capacity varies greatly across the EU/EEA; 12 EU/EEA countries (Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, Norway and Poland) met the recommended level of 10% or 500 sequences of SARS-CoV-2-positive cases sequenced and reported to the GISAID EpiCoV database by 25 May 2021, or to TESSy by 23 May 2021 (data referring to the period 3 May to 16 May 2021). During the same period, 11 countries sequenced and reported between 60 and 499 samples, while seven countries sequenced and reported <60 samples or did not report data.
  • Among the 12 countries with the recommended level of 10% or 500 sequences reported per week in the period from 3 May to 16 May 2021, 10 had a valid denominator. The median (range) of the VOC reported in all samples sequenced in the period in these 10 countries was 90.4% (69.2–95.8%) for B.1.1.7, 0.8% (0.0–8.0%) for B.1.351, 0.3% (0.0–5.1%) for B.1.617, 0.2% (0.0–7.9%) for P.1 and 0.0% (0.0–1.3%) for B.1.1.7+E484K.
  • The median (range) of the VOI reported in all samples sequenced in the period for these 10 countries was 0.0% (0.0–0.9%) for B.1.525, 0.0% (0.0–0.3%) for B.1.620 and 0.0% (0.0–0.0%) for B.1.621. A list of current variants of concern and variants of interest for the EU/EEA is published on ECDC’s website.
Long-term care facilities (LTCFs)
  • Based on data reported to TESSy from seven countries (Belgium, France, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Slovenia and Sweden), in week 20, the pooled incidence of COVID-19 cases among LTCF residents was 64.2 per 100 000 LTCF beds, the pooled incidence of fatal COVID-19 cases was 6.6 per 100 000 LTCF beds, and 5.4% of participating LTCFs reported one or more new COVID-19 cases among their residents.
Open the borders, let's get back to normal again.....


Buster Hyman 29th May 2021 02:33


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053295)
Not true at all. It has been continuously extended every month of the pandemic.

Yeah, you got me there. More than a day or two, June 4th to be precise but, thanks for saving me having to prove my own point.


EMA 2013 Section 30 (3) If the Minister considers it necessary to do so, the Minister may extend the period of appointment under subsection (2) for a further period not exceeding 12 weeks or further periods each of which must not exceed 12 weeks.(3) If the Minister considers it necessary to do so, the Minister may extend the period of appointment under subsection (2) for a further period not exceeding 12 weeks or further periods each of which must not exceed 12 weeks.
On a side note, have we reached peak madness yet?
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e2a7e36bb5880f

Foxxster 29th May 2021 03:19


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11053319)
Not censoring the press but debunking false info.

What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer.

Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be.

Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election.

what a pity old chook up in Qld and her chief health officer still have not been vaccinated. Waiting for the Pfizer apparently. Can’t have that blood clot forming AstraZeneca vaccine.

and wonder why others are hesitant. Nothing like leadership.

Chronic Snoozer 29th May 2021 03:30


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11053337)
what a pity old chook up in Qld and her chief health officer still have not been vaccinated. Waiting for the Pfizer apparently. Can’t have that blood clot forming AstraZeneca vaccine.

and wonder why others are hesitant. Nothing like leadership.

Really? Leadership from politicians to motivate people to vaccinate? One minute they are pilloried for doing something and the next they’re pilloried for NOT doing something. It doesn’t help that pollies aren’t getting vaccinated but Scomo copped a spray because he did get a jab. Then he copped more because it was Pfizer!

Foxxster 29th May 2021 03:41


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11053341)
Really? Leadership from politicians to motivate people to vaccinate? One minute they are pilloried for doing something and the next they’re pilloried for NOT doing something. It doesn’t help that pollies aren’t getting vaccinated but Scomo copped a spray because he did get a jab. Then he copped more because it was Pfizer!

i think most if not all state premieres and yes ScoMo have got the vaccine.

that is leadership

NOT getting it and waiting for the Pfizer vaccine when there are clearly people fearful of getting it due to the clotting issue is disgraceful. And waiting for the Pfizer vaccine …

anyone who was wavering has well founded grounds now for not getting the AstraZeneca jab themselves…

The post I was responding to mentioned getting state premiers to cooperate with the federal govt. we just had Labor Victoria blame the feds for their own latest incompetence. But then Dan is never to blame for anything bad.

and we have labor qld premier not getting vaccinated.

good luck getting any cooperation from those two states.
the only positive from the negligent Victorian situation is at least people are queuing up to get vaccinated now.

Chronic Snoozer 29th May 2021 03:57


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11053342)
i think most if not all state premieres and yes ScoMo have got the vaccine.

that is leadership

NOT getting it and waiting for the Pfizer vaccine when there are clearly people fearful of getting it due to the clotting issue is disgraceful. And waiting for the Pfizer vaccine …

anyone who was wavering has well founded grounds now for not getting the AstraZeneca jab themselves…

The post I was responding to mentioned getting state premiers to cooperate with the federal govt. we just had Labor Victoria blame the feds for their own latest incompetence. But then Dan is never to blame for anything bad.

and we have labor qld premier not getting vaccinated.

good luck getting any cooperation from those two states.
the only positive from the negligent Victorian situation is at least people are queuing up to get vaccinated now.

Yes. Whatever works. Tough situation (the pandemic, not all the other sh!t) all round for politicians, we shouldn’t be too hard on them. I can see what the federal government was trying to do and I also can see why the States went their own way. It’s one thing to tap on our keyboards and be critical and quite another to stand up in front of the media, constituents and business leaders to deliver a decision which is not going to be popular, trusting the public servants around you have given you the right data/information/facts/statistics. Would you honestly want to be in their shoes? There’s obviously a lot going on behind the scenes which we are not privy to. Not long to go now.

Foxxster 29th May 2021 04:26


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11053347)
Yes. Whatever works. Tough situation (the pandemic, not all the other sh!t) all round for politicians, we shouldn’t be too hard on them. I can see what the federal government was trying to do and I also can see why the States went their own way. It’s one thing to tap on our keyboards and be critical and quite another to stand up in front of the media, constituents and business leaders to deliver a decision which is not going to be popular, trusting the public servants around you have given you the right data/information/facts/statistics. Would you honestly want to be in their shoes? There’s obviously a lot going on behind the scenes which we are not privy to. Not long to go now.

actually I would hate being any world leader or indeed state leader now.

same goes for being treasurer or health minister / head of health.

having said that I think there are certain behaviours that are unacceptable. Like not getting vaccinated.

Guptar 29th May 2021 04:57

This Dr is remarkably sensible for an American.
His chanel attempt to present an unbiased medically based view.

kingRB 29th May 2021 05:17

Amazing how much context seems to be presented for vaccine related deaths and injury, but not so much for Covid 19 itself :rolleyes:


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