Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
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1 in 88000 chance of getting a blood clot with the Astrazeneca. If there was a 1 in 88000 change of your engine blowing up you wouldn't go flying.
They didn’t call the Constellation the world’s best 3 engine airliner for nothing! |
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
(Post 11053284)
Completely agree Dre. WA (and many Australians) living in their own little temporary dream land. One day (soon enough) their Utopia will burn down without decisive action to vaccinate the masses.
The fact Australia is only at 10% coverage whereas most first world and a lot of third world countries are approaching or above 50% is a failure of a lot of parties, the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in and they’ve failed to do so. |
I'm sure it was merely coincidence that the Vic State of Emergency was due to expire in a day or two and could only be extended with another 'emergency'...
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 11053293)
I'm sure it was merely coincidence that the Vic State of Emergency was due to expire in a day or two and could only be extended with another 'emergency'...
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11053292)
........the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in...........
When did you last see that happen. Especially from a government that is heavily reliant on the ScoMo sound bites for its very existence. |
Scott Morrison's secret for political success is to always be the bearer of glad tidings, never the bearer of bad news. To make someone else carry the can when things go wrong.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11053280)
Vaccine hesitancy is only going to increase given the ridiculous fearmongering some media have taken over vaccines:
The front page of tomorrow's The West Australian. The border isn’t getting reopened without the vaccine rollout being completed so this is just fuelling the fire. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11053292)
the media need to be held to account but at the end of the day it’s the federal government who need to reign them in and they’ve failed to do so.
I had the AZ and no side affects at all. It may immunise me from getting a bad case of Covid, but it doesn't give any other advantages whatsoever. If being vaccinated meant you didn't have to get locked down every time the hotel quarantine system leaks then people might be more likely to take it up. |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11053316)
I agree with your post apart from this bit,do you really want the feds to have the power to censor the press?
What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer. Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be. Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11053319)
Not censoring the press but debunking false info.
What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer. Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be. Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election. Total failure on the part of the Feds to not having a campaign to debunk the absolute crap being espoused by some. And thumbs up to ruprecht as well- as I’ve said before, I’m sick of his good cop/bad cop routine. |
European Disease control data - from 28 May
Weekly surveillance summaryOverall situationAt the end of week 20 (week ending Sunday 23 May 2021), three countries in the European Union/European Economic Area (EU/EEA) had reported increasing case notification rates and/or test positivity. Case rates in older age groups had not increased in any countries; one country reported increasing hospital or intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and/or increasing occupancy due to COVID-19, and no countries reported increasing death rates. Absolute values of several indicators, including hospital and ICU occupancy, remained high, but trends for a number of indicators were stable or decreasing in several countries. Moreover, the median cumulative uptake of at least one vaccine dose among adults aged 18 years and above in the EU/EEA is 41.7% and increasing, as reported in the COVID-19 Vaccine rollout overview. Recent changes to the report Country-level figures showing age-specific vaccine uptake aligned with key epidemiological indicators (age-specific case and death rates, hospital/ICU occupancy and admissions due to COVID-19) in Section 5. Trends in reported cases and testing
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Originally Posted by dr dre
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Not true at all. It has been continuously extended every month of the pandemic.
EMA 2013 Section 30 (3) If the Minister considers it necessary to do so, the Minister may extend the period of appointment under subsection (2) for a further period not exceeding 12 weeks or further periods each of which must not exceed 12 weeks.(3) If the Minister considers it necessary to do so, the Minister may extend the period of appointment under subsection (2) for a further period not exceeding 12 weeks or further periods each of which must not exceed 12 weeks. https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e2a7e36bb5880f |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11053319)
Not censoring the press but debunking false info.
What Morrison and Hunt should do is show leadership, call a press conference where they show data and facts informing the public on how minuscule the risks are of the vaccine in comparison to Covid, have it in conjunction with all state premiers too. Get in the media with firm statements and explain the seriousness of not getting vaccinated. Morrison should even get an AZ vaccine live to show he wasn’t playing safe by staying with Pfizer. Do that every day for the rest of the year if need be. Of course it won’t happen as all he is about is photo ops and good PR. A small target approach and locking up the border until the election is over. He is not prepared to take any risks, just keep borders shut and hand out money to win an election. and wonder why others are hesitant. Nothing like leadership. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11053337)
what a pity old chook up in Qld and her chief health officer still have not been vaccinated. Waiting for the Pfizer apparently. Can’t have that blood clot forming AstraZeneca vaccine.
and wonder why others are hesitant. Nothing like leadership. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11053341)
Really? Leadership from politicians to motivate people to vaccinate? One minute they are pilloried for doing something and the next they’re pilloried for NOT doing something. It doesn’t help that pollies aren’t getting vaccinated but Scomo copped a spray because he did get a jab. Then he copped more because it was Pfizer!
that is leadership NOT getting it and waiting for the Pfizer vaccine when there are clearly people fearful of getting it due to the clotting issue is disgraceful. And waiting for the Pfizer vaccine … anyone who was wavering has well founded grounds now for not getting the AstraZeneca jab themselves… The post I was responding to mentioned getting state premiers to cooperate with the federal govt. we just had Labor Victoria blame the feds for their own latest incompetence. But then Dan is never to blame for anything bad. and we have labor qld premier not getting vaccinated. good luck getting any cooperation from those two states. the only positive from the negligent Victorian situation is at least people are queuing up to get vaccinated now. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11053342)
i think most if not all state premieres and yes ScoMo have got the vaccine.
that is leadership NOT getting it and waiting for the Pfizer vaccine when there are clearly people fearful of getting it due to the clotting issue is disgraceful. And waiting for the Pfizer vaccine … anyone who was wavering has well founded grounds now for not getting the AstraZeneca jab themselves… The post I was responding to mentioned getting state premiers to cooperate with the federal govt. we just had Labor Victoria blame the feds for their own latest incompetence. But then Dan is never to blame for anything bad. and we have labor qld premier not getting vaccinated. good luck getting any cooperation from those two states. the only positive from the negligent Victorian situation is at least people are queuing up to get vaccinated now. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11053347)
Yes. Whatever works. Tough situation (the pandemic, not all the other sh!t) all round for politicians, we shouldn’t be too hard on them. I can see what the federal government was trying to do and I also can see why the States went their own way. It’s one thing to tap on our keyboards and be critical and quite another to stand up in front of the media, constituents and business leaders to deliver a decision which is not going to be popular, trusting the public servants around you have given you the right data/information/facts/statistics. Would you honestly want to be in their shoes? There’s obviously a lot going on behind the scenes which we are not privy to. Not long to go now.
same goes for being treasurer or health minister / head of health. having said that I think there are certain behaviours that are unacceptable. Like not getting vaccinated. |
This Dr is remarkably sensible for an American.
His chanel attempt to present an unbiased medically based view. |
Amazing how much context seems to be presented for vaccine related deaths and injury, but not so much for Covid 19 itself :rolleyes:
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Got more chance of getting hit by a bus than getting blood clots post the jab.
Getting vaccinated is common sense in my opinion. It is also common sense for the authorities to allow vaccinated people to travel freely anywhere in the world and be exempt from quarantine. |
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