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Tucknroll 5th Jun 2021 00:03


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 11057198)
Rubbish.

nothing in the current situation is in anyway related to the ruby princess (yes, a fail…)

you might even say that the ruby princess debacle is what allowed NSW to work out how to handle this. There can be no argument that NSW has balanced COVID health with the economy and other health better than any state so far. They actually took the view that we are Australia, a country, not a series of countries run by dictators.

be parochial if you like. I prefer the ‘we are one country’ approach to that of the power hungry dictators.

Everyone, including those states that you seem to think are dictators, is advocating for a centralized federally run quarantine system.
The inconsistencies in approach aren’t the states’ fault. You’re directing your anger at the wrong level of government.

cloudsurfng 5th Jun 2021 00:08


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11057226)
Everyone, including those states that you seem to think are dictators, is advocating for a centralized federally run quarantine system.
The inconsistencies in approach aren’t the states’ fault. You’re directing your anger at the wrong level of government.

i agree the federal govt has failed in the quarantine area. That’s one area. When there are community cases, there is nothing the feds can do. McGowan has made it clear he will ‘always reserve the right to shut ‘his’ border at a moments notice’. When the international border does open, I can already see that idiot still causing chaos domestically.

so yes, while the feds have failed on the quarantine front, the dictators will continue to fail on the border control front.

not so sure the ruby princess can be seen as anything positive though!!

SHVC 5th Jun 2021 00:48

Ruby Princess is irrelevant now. That could of happened anywhere in an Australian port. But it did happen in NSW and look at how NSW has handled Covid, wether you like it or not agree or not NSW is the best in Australia at managing covid. NSW still takes the lions share of international arrivals with minimal HQ outbreaks, VIC is doing 2/5s of F&@k all with international and still can’t handle HQ. What makes everyone think they will be able to manage off site quarantine facilities any better.

minigundiplomat 5th Jun 2021 07:06

Is Melbourne still the worlds most liveable city?

A320 Flyer 5th Jun 2021 14:02


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11057307)
Is Melbourne still the worlds most liveable city?

Not from where I’m sitting…..

AerialPerspective 5th Jun 2021 15:29


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11057226)
Everyone, including those states that you seem to think are dictators, is advocating for a centralized federally run quarantine system.
The inconsistencies in approach aren’t the states’ fault. You’re directing your anger at the wrong level of government.

"51. Legislative Powers of the Parliament.

The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:
...
(ix) quarantine;

..."

s51 defines anything that is NOT a State responsibility.

End of argument.

Connie Wings 5th Jun 2021 16:23

A question regarding those flight crews who have taken the AstraZeneca shots: are there any consequence or penalty from FAA regarding their activities, since FDA has not allowed or recognized the AZ vaccine in the US yet (there are thousands who live outside the US, who have already taken the AZ shots) ?

Connie Wings 5th Jun 2021 16:30

I got a question: Will FAA accept pilots taking AZ or other vaccines’ brand other than those only accepted by FDA ? Thousands of FAA License pilots live abroad.

WingNut60 5th Jun 2021 16:57


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11057307)
Is Melbourne still the worlds most liveable city?

I'm not sure that it ever was.
Most of those surveys are very suss at any time ....
Sort of like the GT poll for world's best airline.

But if you still want to compare it with it's normal rivals it is probably still well up there.

Vancouver 183 new cases yesterday, Osaka 226, Calgary 244 coming off a recent peak of 2211, etc, etc

SHVC 5th Jun 2021 22:13

Recent peak in those cities of over 2000 a day you mention, what has changed there to drop below 300 a day? I see they’re not locked up like caged animals.

WingNut60 5th Jun 2021 23:00


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11057616)
Recent peak in those cities of over 2000 a day you mention, what has changed there to drop below 300 a day? I see they’re not locked up like caged animals.

Moving back into summer, amongst other things.

SHVC 5th Jun 2021 23:29


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11057624)
Moving back into summer, amongst other things.


I don't think so, U.S.A debunked that that theory that C-19 does not thrive in the heat as they had regular 6 figure deaths and cases daily during their summer.

Do these countries have high vaccine uptake?

WingNut60 5th Jun 2021 23:48


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11057634)
I don't think so, U.S.A debunked that that theory that C-19 does not thrive in the heat as they had regular 6 figure deaths and cases daily during their summer.

Do these countries have high vaccine uptake?

Better than Australia, but that's not hard.
With a personal link to Calgary (a most livable contender) I can assure you that they have not been restriction free - see following graph.
And that included inter-provincial travel restrictions (to Vancouver, another contender).

The following are both interesting - or, they are to me.
  • 3,013,555 vaccine doses have been administered in Alberta, including Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca-Oxford.
  • 66 per cent of Alberta's population of those ages 12 and up have now received at least one dose of vaccine.
  • 502,833 Albertans are fully immunized (two doses).
  • Dr. Deena Hinshaw, Alberta's chief medical officer of health, said the vaccines have proven even more effective than expected.
  • The province says 96 per cent of cases since Jan. 1, 2021 were contracted by people who were unvaccinated or who were diagnosed within two weeks from having a first dose of vaccine.
  • Just 0.2 per cent of Albertans who have received their first dose of vaccine have been diagnosed with COVID-19 two weeks or more after receiving the shot. Over that same period, 93 per cent of the people who needed hospital care were either not vaccinated or were diagnosed with infection within two weeks of receiving their first dose.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fe453558a2.jpg

Ladloy 6th Jun 2021 05:34

Good to see the feds finally funding quarantine facilities albeit kicking and screaming.

ScepticalOptomist 6th Jun 2021 05:37


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11057524)
I'm not sure that it ever was.
Most of those surveys are very suss at any time ....
Sort of like the GT poll for world's best airline.

But if you still want to compare it with it's normal rivals it is probably still well up there.

Vancouver 183 new cases yesterday, Osaka 226, Calgary 244 coming off a recent peak of 2211, etc, etc

Case numbers mean bugger all when they are vaccinated. How many of those cases had symptoms? How many needed treatment?
If they’re vaccinated, it will be close to zero - THAT’S the important bit!

PoppaJo 6th Jun 2021 06:26

Why is Melbourne in lockdown with 2 cases?

WingNut60 6th Jun 2021 07:06


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11057717)
Case numbers mean bugger all when they are vaccinated. How many of those cases had symptoms? How many needed treatment?
If they’re vaccinated, it will be close to zero - THAT’S the important bit!

Not sure about the others, but in Calgary, eight died yesterday.
That's quite important to a lot of people too.

ScepticalOptomist 6th Jun 2021 07:59


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11057742)
Not sure about the others, but in Calgary, eight died yesterday.
That's quite important to a lot of people too.

Of course - no death should be taken lightly. Every life is precious.

I do wonder how many people died in Calgary total that day - from all the other diseases. I’ll wager it was more than 8.

How many in Canada are vaccinated?

That nuance is important to a lot of us too.



601 6th Jun 2021 08:07


s51 defines anything that is NOT a State responsibility.

End of argument.
The Feds are responsible for quarantine, no argument.
But the States are responsible for health directions within States. The Feds have no say over the States CMOs.
The States and NT did freely sign up to manage the quarantine facilities.
Why do the Vic, SA and WA keep COVID positive people in medi-hotels instead of a COVID ward in a hospital as I believe happens in Qld?
If positives detected in HQ are not then heled in HQ, then the HQ cannot leak.

minigundiplomat 6th Jun 2021 09:19


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11057729)
Why is Melbourne in lockdown with 2 cases?

Because it’s twinned with Pyongyang.


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