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Duck Pilot 29th May 2021 06:40

Got more chance of getting hit by a bus than getting blood clots post the jab.

Getting vaccinated is common sense in my opinion. It is also common sense for the authorities to allow vaccinated people to travel freely anywhere in the world and be exempt from quarantine.

Bend alot 29th May 2021 07:38


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11053386)
It is also common sense for the authorities to allow vaccinated people to travel freely anywhere in the world and be exempt from quarantine.


You are kidding right?

You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.

Dannyboy39 29th May 2021 07:40


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11053408)
You are kidding right? You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.

So where and how does it end? Even more so after a negative PCR test? Evidence shows that transmission is significantly diminished.

Meanwhile, in the "dangerous UK", the roads last night were chok-a-block going to domestic resorts as a holiday weekend and good weather finally comes around.

Fuel-Off 29th May 2021 07:40


You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.
All the more reason for the country to vaccinate! I know that's pretty difficult because it's not like we make it in country or anything.

Oh that's right...

Fuel-Off :ok:

Angle of Attack 29th May 2021 08:25

So when should we open up? 6 months after being vaccinated? 12 months? If you have had the opportunity to have the vaccine and refused well you should be released to the hounds. And don’t whinge about people with disorders and immune problems, that’s always been the case and Influenza picks them off regardless. You need to make precautions if you are immuno compromised anyway…

Duck Pilot 29th May 2021 08:46

Having endured significant financial stress as a result of the pandemic like most in the aviation industry, I simply donít care what the armchair experts and those who havenít been significantly effected think.

Get Jabbed, itís the best defence we have now which will support our health and economy to get back to some form of normalcy - whatever that we be in 5 years.

Chronic Snoozer 29th May 2021 09:38


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11053426)
So when should we open up? 6 months after being vaccinated? 12 months? If you have had the opportunity to have the vaccine and refused well you should be released to the hounds. And donít whinge about people with disorders and immune problems, thatís always been the case and Influenza picks them off regardless. You need to make precautions if you are immuno compromised anywayÖ

We shouldn't open up until an interest group of scientists says so in the Lancet. :yuk:

Chronic Snoozer 29th May 2021 09:39


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11053408)
You are kidding right?

You do know that you can still get COVID and spread it after the jab don't you.

Like the flu?

Bend alot 29th May 2021 11:13

Some very self-centered people with very narrow views that think they have done it hard during this World Wide pandemic.

Pretty much no country other than North Korea has enough immunity to open up yet and many other countries simply do not have the resources, funds or capability to vaccinate even a small percentage of the citizens that want to get vaccinated - for many it will only ever be a dream to get vaccinated.

Here in Australia a first World nation we have hardly touched the surface with vaccinations (so much so it is embarrassing).

Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!

Bugger the rest of the World Citizens, that you can easily infect by carrying the virus to what even destination you feel you have the right to visit.

Must love the self-righteous arrogance of some.

Duck Pilot 29th May 2021 11:45


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11053518)
Some very self-centered people with very narrow views that think they have done it hard during this World Wide pandemic.

Pretty much no country other than North Korea has enough immunity to open up yet and many other countries simply do not have the resources, funds or capability to vaccinate even a small percentage of the citizens that want to get vaccinated - for many it will only ever be a dream to get vaccinated.

Here in Australia a first World nation we have hardly touched the surface with vaccinations (so much so it is embarrassing).

Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!

Bugger the rest of the World Citizens, that you can easily infect by carrying the virus to what even destination you feel you have the right to visit.

Must love the self-righteous arrogance of some.

So how have you been directly effected by the pandemic?

Iíve been out of full time employment for over 12 months, compounding unpaid debts over my head and I have recently had to sell my car in an attempt to financially recover. I elected not to go on the doll and worked my way out of the mess, which I have successfully done,

How dare you refer to me as being self centred and opinionated and all the rest of the drivel - thatís an insult!

Anyone who has been stood down, terminated from their employment or business owners who were forced into restricting or ceasing their business activities, due to the pandemic would probably feel the same way as I do. Overall I havenít done to bad getting through the mess, however I know others have and still are suffering financial stress and potential ruin. We need a solution, the vaccines are the best we have now to reduce the deaths and bring things back to some form of normalcy.


Fuel-Off 29th May 2021 11:56


Yet the High and Mighty think that just because they have been fortunate enough to get vaccinated, that the World should instantly open up just for them!
Not quite. I think most on here are calling for a pathway from this crisis. To move Australia from these ceaseless knee jerk lockdowns. What is the official word from the Federal Government? A little tid bit burried somewhere in the latest Federal Budget that somewhat whispers the point the country might open mid 2022. That we might have everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021.

The UK has a public plan to open the country, provided nothing dramatic changes. The EU is planning to open to vaccinated travellers in this year's Northern summer. The US is tipped to reach 90% vaccination by end of July (if current inoculation rates continue at their current pace). Phuket (not the rest of Thailand) will be opening to vaccinated tourists later this year.

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.

But apparently Australia can wait. Experts and Melbournians would beg to differ.

Fuel-Off :ok:

Bend alot 29th May 2021 21:27


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11053530)
So how have you been directly effected by the pandemic?

Iíve been out of full time employment for over 12 months, compounding unpaid debts over my head and I have recently had to sell my car in an attempt to financially recover. I elected not to go on the doll and worked my way out of the mess, which I have successfully done,

How dare you refer to me as being self centred and opinionated and all the rest of the drivel - thatís an insult!

I work in aviation, general aviation and have since the mid 80's - I have like pretty much everyone else in this industry have been "directly effected" financially and other.

I learnt from this experience - there is a lot of things that make a life.

SHVC 29th May 2021 21:35

This latest outbreak is what our country needed, good kick up the a$$ to go get vaccinated so we can get on with it. Melbourne seeing record numbers for the uptake even lining up for hours already this morning.

Bend alot 29th May 2021 21:42


Originally Posted by Fuel-Off (Post 11053540)
Not quite. I think most on here are calling for a pathway from this crisis. To move Australia from these ceaseless knee jerk lockdowns. What is the official word from the Federal Government? A little tid bit burried somewhere in the latest Federal Budget that somewhat whispers the point the country might open mid 2022. That we might have everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021.

The UK has a public plan to open the country, provided nothing dramatic changes. The EU is planning to open to vaccinated travellers in this year's Northern summer. The US is tipped to reach 90% vaccination by end of July (if current inoculation rates continue at their current pace). Phuket (not the rest of Thailand) will be opening to vaccinated tourists later this year.

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.

But apparently Australia can wait. Experts and Melbournians would beg to differ.

Fuel-Off :ok:

Good post Fuel-Off.

Our governments (Australia) have not been united (they are self-centered) and have no real future plan/path for next week, next month or next year.

Our opening up of borders around the World should happen in my opinion after we sort our own back yard we as a country clearly are far from that.
After that we should assist our near neighbors particularly in the South Pacific to have sufficient vaccination levels and evacuation procedures for visitors. After that assist in the greater World with vaccination and evacuation/isolation procedures of visitors.

When the World is on a somewhat equal risk level vs vaccination uptake we can look at open borders for ALL.

Many will think this World level of Vaccination and evacuation/isolation is not our responsibility or over the top - it should be looked at at a practice run for the next event.

Duck Pilot 29th May 2021 21:43

Iíve learnt from experiences as well like most others - I just donít like to be insulted on a public forum for expressing my opinion.

Happy Sunday 😀

Maggie Island 29th May 2021 21:44


Originally Posted by Fuel-Off (Post 11053540)

We have heard nothing but doom and gloom and buck passing from SloMo. At least Boris Johnson and Joe Biden have announced time frames to get their countries out. Our PM knows that it would be to his political detriment if he were to place any time based targets to policy as he has failed to meet any he has set himself thus far.

This just in, politicians play politics! Absolute shocker!!!:}

Consider Melbourne lucky - they havenít been overrun by rodents (yet).

blubak 29th May 2021 22:36


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11053737)
This latest outbreak is what our country needed, good kick up the a$$ to go get vaccinated so we can get on with it. Melbourne seeing record numbers for the uptake even lining up for hours already this morning.

I think you have hit the nail on the head(many will disagree of course).
There is risk in everything we do but it doesnt stop us doing it in almost all the decisions we make.
In my humble opinion we need to get vaccinated to reduce the risk of lockdowns,virus spread & maybe dying in extreme cases.
Surgery comes with a risk of dying but if somebody happens to pass whilst having surgery we dont see it on the front page of a newspaper or have every media drive show host telling you how risky it is to have surgery.
Keep it up melbourne😀

Capn Rex Havoc 29th May 2021 23:24

Vaccination or no vaccination - The government NEEDS to outline a plan for opening the borders. The reality is you will NEVER get 100 percent of the population vaccinated. Unless you want to have a forced inoculation - mandatory with military intervention. Unfortunately, If that was to occur, I reckon the brainwashed sheepish public would accept compulsory vaccination.

Sparrows. 29th May 2021 23:25

All the things that carry more risk than the AstraZeneca vaccine
 
https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2...k-clots-death/

Foxxster 30th May 2021 03:11


Originally Posted by Maggie Island (Post 11053743)
This just in, politicians play politics! Absolute shocker!!!:}

Consider Melbourne lucky - they haven’t been overrun by rodents (yet).

the same Melbourne now in its fourth lockdown. Estimated to cost over a BILLION dollars.

the same Melbourne or Victoria squealing that the federal government won’t pay for their gross incompetence.

NSW has had a single QR code since the middle of last year. Victoria managed to get to the same point only a couple of days ago. Despite being told in the middle of last year to get a single government code.

their online vaccination system crashed and still isn’t working.

And of course their hotel quarantine where Dan thought he knew better than anyone else and went his own way with dire consequences.


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