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neville_nobody 14th Mar 2021 11:10

Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.

WingNut60 14th Mar 2021 11:46


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11008296)
Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.

Still wearing those ****e-coloured glasses I see.

SOPS 14th Mar 2021 11:55

I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

WingNut60 14th Mar 2021 12:15


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

Pleeeeeeeeeeeease. Questioning of NSW ist verboten.
Just move along. Nothing to be seen here.

blubak 14th Mar 2021 19:56


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

I asked the same thing yesterday(post 3960).
I didnt think they could work at more then 1 workplace?
No government can monitor their workers 24 hours a day but if the rules have been broken by this guy an explanation is needed,not an excuse!
The people working in these hotels need to take responsibility for their actions,hopefully this doesnt turn into something we dont need or want right now.

cloudsurfng 14th Mar 2021 20:37


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11008324)
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??

"outbreak"? Its ONE case so far. Hardly an outbreak. Your description has just shown what brainwashing will do. The multiple jobs thing is bull****. Should not be allowed. Yes, the west are stupid. So are the North, South, East and middle. If there's one thing this **** has shown me, it is what a bunch of dumbasses Australians really are. 'Baaaaaaaaaa'. F*&king morons.

jrfsp 15th Mar 2021 01:07

It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...

Chronic Snoozer 15th Mar 2021 01:27


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11008711)
It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...

A day after the WA election. How ironic. Now the WA CHO is talking to the media about 'hotspots' all of a sudden.

WA Chief Health Officer

But despite this: Federally controlled travel bubble with NZ

WA does this: The travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand is managed by the Commonwealth Government, and Western Australia is not included in this travel bubble.

layman 15th Mar 2021 02:27

“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.

1A_Please 15th Mar 2021 03:28


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11008726)
“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.

If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.

krismiler 15th Mar 2021 05:26

Discussion is going on about a travel bubble with Singapore by July.

https://simpleflying.com/australia-s...travel-bubble/

Thailand is looking at no quarantine for vaccinated travellers around the same time.

The door may be slowly starting to crack open,


ScepticalOptomist 15th Mar 2021 08:53


Originally Posted by 1A_Please (Post 11008737)
If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.

Exactly right!

KRviator 16th Mar 2021 00:28


Blood clots found in 37 people out of 17 million recipients of AstraZeneca vaccine
A British virologist says international concerns about the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine causing blood clots must be put in perspective.

Associate professor Sterghios Moschos says 17 million people have received the AstraZeneca jab so far and blood clots have been found in just 37 recipients.

10 European nations have now suspended the AstraZeneca rollout, over Norwegian concerns about blood clots. Source
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

WingNut60 16th Mar 2021 01:11


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11009472)
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

Nebulous? Tenuous? One of the above.



Buster Hyman 16th Mar 2021 03:24


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 11009472)
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!

I think you need to draw up two sets of numbers here. One for pre-election, and one for post-election.

On a side note, does this mean that the EU will let us have our shipment of AZ now? :suspect:

Dannyboy39 16th Mar 2021 05:19

What hasn’t been said is that these countries are seemingly ignoring real world data from a country that has more experience with the vaccine than them (UK), who found that the prevalence of these clotting findings are actually less in the vaccinated population. There are also events associated with the Pfizer vaccine which seems to have been completely ignored.

The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally.

By stopping the rollout, they are causing unnecessary deaths.

Hasherucf 16th Mar 2021 11:52


Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.


Mistakes were made in early days. In NY Gov Cuomo put Covid patients in nursing homes, we wouldn't do that now.

Both are high density populations and Italy has a social structures that has multi generations under the same roof.


Ex FSO GRIFFO 16th Mar 2021 13:07

RE ' The whole world seems to have got themselves into a position that no one gets sick naturally...'

I can honestly say that ...'I used to eat a lot of 'natural foods' , until I found that most people die of 'natural causes'.....

Cheersss.... if you survive......

krismiler 16th Mar 2021 22:27

In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.

StudentInDebt 17th Mar 2021 05:06


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 11010219)
In Australia in 2018 there was a death rate of 5 women per 100 000 giving birth, and between 2009 and 2018 251 women died during pregnancy or within 42 of the end of pregnancy.

This could be reduced to zero if people stopped having children.

I think it would be reduced to 0 if women stopped becoming pregnant, rather than "if people stopped having children".


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