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PoppaJo 30th May 2021 04:47

To be fair on Victoria, Canberra could come to the party on the remote quarantine front in that state, the proposal is excellent from what Iíve been told, and of course fix its jab rollout. Two key projects that could prevent these events. I understand the point in regards to the Feds not constantly bailing out states every month, however they could do a better job at the stuff they are responsible for. Avalon construction should have started by now. Hurry the **** up!

Not overly sure contact tracing is at fault either here. From what I gather this last week has been the biggest contact tracing effort ever during this pandemic. Sydney hasnít been tested like that yet. My son went to the footy, was contacted very soon after. Impressive considering they are chasing up tens of not hundreds of thousands of people in the last week.

I know an aircrew who had a positive as a pax back in the Sydney Christmas mess. NSW health contacted him 6 days later.

SHVC 30th May 2021 07:27

Remote quarantine is not the answer, Sco Mo has said he supports remote quarantine as he is in talks with Vic and seems to favor their proposal as it will increase foreign students. This is a sector that is struggling just like aviation it is also loosing millions maybe even billions, however, he did say remote quarantine is to increase the arrival cap not maintain current levels.

The only solution is get vaccinated! U.S.A has 2 million additional ppl traveling as it’s a holiday weekend they are getting on with life their domestic capacity is increasing ten fold compare to is as we fluff around over few cases and send our grand children further into the oblivion with debt.

I like Sco Mo and the gov we have they are doing a much better job than if labor were in power just my opinion other will say otherwise. Sco Mo has failed miserably getting the word out on this vaccine tho, we need the fact the ppl need the facts instead of ppl reading Facebook headlines and watching the project and their misleading stories. Sco Mo needs to get the facts out there I suggest all read then share this link anyway possible so ppl can make a better informed decision after speaking with their GP.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...t2Y0UlGR4-z1hc

then we have the actual reporting events through the TGA the cases are very low. The general consensus is, not getting vaccinated is much worse than getting vaccinated.
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covi...ort-06-05-2021

SOPS 30th May 2021 07:40

The problem is leaks out of HQ. What I still fail to understand is just how many Australians are overseas and want to come home?

The number was originally reported at around 30000. Then there was 10000 in India that wanted to come back.

Itís reported in the paper today, that 47000 people have gone trough HQ in Perth alone since this began.

So my question is, when will the numbers start to decrease?

PoppaJo 30th May 2021 07:55


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11053866)

So my question is, when will the numbers start to decrease?

When we stop letting people leave. I know many who have gone overseas for boyfriends, girlfriends, Ďstudyí, funerals, weddings.

Asturias56 30th May 2021 07:56

"The reality is you will NEVER get 100 percent of the population vaccinated"

And of course you don't need to - most sources reckon that over 60% fully vaccinated is probably enough - especially if that includes all the at risk groups. 25% or so of the population is under 20 and has extremely low death rates

If the UK can vaccinate 59% with one shot and 37% with two shots in a few months there really should be no reason why Australia can't be open by October

PoppaJo 30th May 2021 09:12


The only solution is get vaccinated!
Deputy PM at some presser again today saying Ďitís not a raceí

FFS make it a race!

blubak 30th May 2021 09:18


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11053906)
Deputy PM at some presser again today saying Ďitís not a raceí

FFS make it a race!

Scomo in NZ doing photo shoots as per normal.
Needs to be here but as usual he has more important issues to address.

josephfeatherweight 30th May 2021 09:19


Deputy PM at some presser again today saying ‘it’s not a race’

FFS make it a race!
Absolutely!

dr dre 30th May 2021 09:20


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11053906)
Deputy PM at some presser again today saying ‘it’s not a race’

FFS make it a race!

The finish line is after the next election date. Constitutionally it has to be by May 2022. Politically when the polls are in the government's favour. They won't make any change on the border until after the election as the country wants to feel "protected" and even if it seeps in and just a very few unvaccinated elderly die then the media will go to town on them. It's a consequence of a zero Covid strategy.

We lockdown and close borders to protect the vulnerable until the vaccine arrived but here's where I draw the line:


Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said 53 of the 76 residents at the home had consented to be vaccinated.
Arcare Maidstone aged care worker tests positive - ABC News

If 30% of aged care residents do not consent to be vaccinated then it's their problem.

The logical solution would be to open up after every over 50 has had access to the vaccine. Of course a few elderly would die and the media would explode in fear so the government does SFA.

mattyj 30th May 2021 09:21

So once we're all vaccinated, what have the Wuhan bioweapons lab got in store for us next??

blubak 30th May 2021 09:26


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11053833)
To be fair on Victoria, Canberra could come to the party on the remote quarantine front in that state, the proposal is excellent from what Iíve been told, and of course fix its jab rollout. Two key projects that could prevent these events. I understand the point in regards to the Feds not constantly bailing out states every month, however they could do a better job at the stuff they are responsible for. Avalon construction should have started by now. Hurry the **** up!

Not overly sure contact tracing is at fault either here. From what I gather this last week has been the biggest contact tracing effort ever during this pandemic. Sydney hasnít been tested like that yet. My son went to the footy, was contacted very soon after. Impressive considering they are chasing up tens of not hundreds of thousands of people in the last week.

I know an aircrew who had a positive as a pax back in the Sydney Christmas mess. NSW health contacted him 6 days later.

I watched the vic govt news conference today & despite what many others think i have to agree they are doing a very good job.
We can go on about whats happened in the past & it was definitely a stuff up but realistically whats being done right now is what matters.
The testing numbers a couple of weeks back were around 15000/day,now its triple that so the logistics involved to achieve that is nothing to be sneezed at.

SHVC 30th May 2021 10:01


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11053875)
most sources reckon that over 60% fully vaccinated is probably enough

Please attach link to your sources. Most I look at are a lot higher than 60%. Lets start with fact to much BS is being spread.

Tucknroll 30th May 2021 11:02

A few timely facts for the echo chamber.

The economy is growing, in fact The last two quarters of growth have been the highest rates of growth in the last 30 years. Our hospitals are able to deal with the very few covid cases that we are seeing In fact they are doing it incredibly well. Over the course of the pandemic the majority of Australians have enjoyed a domestic life almost completely unaffected by the virus. Most businesses that needed to, including small businesses, still operating have adapted and are able to profitably operate in the current environment. The prediction of a massive business failure rate following the ending of jobkeeper simply hasnít eventuated. Both the unemployment rate and underemployment rate have reduced last month. The unemployment rate has decreased for the 10th consecutive month.

The federal government has a strong mandate for continuing with the current policy. This Lowy poll from earlier this month shows a 95% approval rating for how the government has handled Covid. This poll was conducted after the rollout was delayed and widely reported as Ďbungled.í I think even with the current Melbourne lockdown, youíll find overwhelming support for the governmentís handling of Covid. Virtually no one wants open borders.

Most of the people here are just shouting into the wind.

ruprecht 30th May 2021 11:47


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11053959)
This Lowy poll from earlier this month shows a 95% approval rating for how the government has handled Covid.

The Lowy result is below:


Almost all Australian adults (95%) say that Australia has handled COVID-19 well, with a 22-point jump in those saying Australia has handled COVID-19 Ďvery wellí
I donít see the government mentioned there.

Troo believer 30th May 2021 12:02

Tucknroll,

The borders are already open. Not completely but open nonetheless with obvious quarantine caveats. If you advocate strict border closure, that means no one enters period, yet about 1000 people per day are arriving. What will it be? No one is advocating opening up to pre COVID levels yet, so why do you keep pushing it in order to scare people?

I hazard at a guess that the government’s mandate is evaporating quickly at the moment. The press is turning in tune with the consensus that vaccination is the key. Look at the response in Victoria. Its economic suicide to remain a hermit nation into the future. It’s not sustainable.

Pray tell what do you do for a living? Has it anything at all to do with professional aviation?

Keep pushing your mantra but the majority here disagree with your opinions. You’re probably an anti vaxer to boot.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...30-p57wei.html

Tucknroll 30th May 2021 12:17


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11053990)

I donít see the government mentioned there.

Sure, but I think that is implied within the question as governments set policy. Perhaps you could give your interpretation of the question?

ďOverall, how well or badly do you think each of the following countries have handled the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak so far?Ē

Tucknroll 30th May 2021 12:27


Originally Posted by Troo believer (Post 11053996)
Tucknroll,

The borders are already open. Not completely but open nonetheless with obvious quarantine caveats. If you advocate strict border closure, that means no one enters period, yet about 1000 people per day are arriving. What will it be? No one is advocating opening up to pre COVID levels yet, so why do you keep pushing it in order to scare people?

I hazard at a guess that the governmentís mandate is evaporating quickly at the moment. The press is turning in tune with the consensus that vaccination is the key. Look at the response in Victoria. Its economic suicide to remain a hermit nation into the future. Itís not sustainable.

Pray tell what do you do for a living? Has it anything at all to do with professional aviation?

Keep pushing your mantra but the majority here disagree with your opinions. Youíre probably an anti vaxer to boot.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...30-p57wei.html

Economic suicide? The figures just arenít showing that. Look at my original post, we have had the two largest quarters of economic growth in the last 30 years. Our economy is the envy of the OECD.

As for what I do, Iím a long haul pilot, currently stood down. I have been for over a year now.

My previous post wasnít stating an opinion. It was stating statistics. Iím not an anti vaxxer, but your supposition is an example of poorly aimed insults thrown at people who tell you inconvenient facts that you donít want to hear.

ruprecht 30th May 2021 12:35


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11054004)
Sure, but I think that is implied within the question as governments set policy.

Implying is the realm of marketing. :hmm:

If you want a survey on government policy, then you need to include questions on government policy.

Troo believer 30th May 2021 12:51

What’s the deficit looking like? Keynesian economics fit for a crisis but is it sustainable and for how long. Massive tax breaks, infrastructure spending, low interest rates and eye watering private debt pumping a housing bubble is not a long term proposition.

Still didn’t answer the question. Do you want borders closed or not? Status quo or a gradual opening up similar to what’s happening with NZ? What will it be?

You have a vested interest like myself to get back to work. No one is advocating for rash changes since we are so far behind the UK and the USA we can watch and learn. After all we played COVID well for the first half of the game, and then convinced ourselves that we were the winners with the second half yet to be played. The USA and the UK played a woeful first half, no question, but the second half is on script. Pollies have always said that borders will open gradually from the get go, so why the opposition?

Where and when is the end point?

aviation_enthus 30th May 2021 15:46


Originally Posted by Tucknroll (Post 11054011)
Economic suicide? The figures just arenít showing that. Look at my original post, we have had the two largest quarters of economic growth in the last 30 years. Our economy is the envy of the OECD.

The ďfiguresĒ are showing the effect of the massive sugar hit provided by the government stimulus plus super release plus 6 months of accumulated savings (for those still working).

In the medium term all this goes away.

Just about the only reason GDP has grown since 2008 is the high immigration rate weíve had. Closed borders mean the population is expected to decline over the next 12-24 months. Once that stimulus runs out, watch the economy stagnate.


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