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Ladloy 5th Aug 2021 07:57


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11090025)
Mate, no-one wants lockdowns, nobody thinks it's funny. But they are necessary, what would u rather have, 7 day lockdown or weeks and months.
It's tough we have all been through them, but what is the alternative, you tell us.

watch the death rate start to really bite in NSW. It's painful but necessary and no one wants to end up like NSW.

SOPS 5th Aug 2021 08:05

Tasmania has just closed its border to Victoria.

And if you go to the NT from Greater Melbourne itís 2 weeks HQ at your own expense.

This is not looking good.

SHVC 5th Aug 2021 08:18

Australia what a country. FFS these inept premiers and PM all bickering wanting the most air time. I bet another pointless national cabinet will be held tomorrow

mattyj 5th Aug 2021 10:25

Lockdowns havenít had any measurable benefit anywhere they were tried..masks neither..why donít you try doing something else..something that works

Angle of Attack 5th Aug 2021 10:28

Iím afraid Lockdowns will be around until early next year. I understand it sucks but thereís no point resisting. We are now
experiencing what pretty much every country around the world has found. No single country has controlled Delta, Iím actuallly
embarrassed we thought we could rein it in. Typical arrogant idiots that though we were the best. We lost the chance and now are
about to pay for it big time.

43Inches 5th Aug 2021 10:40


Lockdowns havenít had any measurable benefit anywhere they were tried..masks neither..why donít you try doing something else..something that works
Except everywhere in Australia that is not Sydney and surrounds.


No single country has controlled Delta, Iím actuallly
embarrassed we thought we could rein it in.
Melbourne has beat it down twice, this will be the third, WA has kept it out, as well as SA Tas and NT, and mostly QLD.

Only the state full of halfwits that can't follow simple instructions called NSW is losing it for us. And again a heap of people thinking Sydney is 'all' of Australia.

But at least there has been a few interesting posts proving maybe they should have mental asylums reopened to care for those that can't cope with the real world, especially if Dan makes any announcements.


SOPS 5th Aug 2021 10:47


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11090144)
Except everywhere in Australia that is not Sydney and surrounds.



Melbourne has beat it down twice, this will be the third, WA has kept it out, as well as SA Tas and NT, and mostly QLD.

Only the state full of halfwits that can't follow simple instructions called NSW is losing it for us. And again a heap of people thinking Sydney is 'all' of Australia.

But at least there has been a few interesting posts proving maybe they should have mental asylums reopened to care for those that can't cope with the real world, especially if Dan makes any announcements.

I posted this link earlier and I doing it again.. how hard is it for these people to follow simple instructions???

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-...each/100348962

LostWanderer 5th Aug 2021 10:47


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11090138)
Iím afraid Lockdowns will be around until early next year. I understand it sucks but thereís no point resisting. We are now
experiencing what pretty much every country around the world has found. No single country has controlled Delta, Iím actuallly
embarrassed we thought we could rein it in. Typical arrogant idiots that though we were the best. We lost the chance and now are
about to pay for it big time.

Pretty sure I saw it stated by the federal government that lockdowns/border closures, or various levels of them, will very likely be around for a lot longer than early next year unfortunately.

AerialPerspective 5th Aug 2021 10:50


Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli (Post 11089981)
This is my concern, a breakout strain will most likely result in VADE in the vaccinated. Also no one knows for sure if these strains are a result of the vaccine itself. 87% of all Delta strain patients in Israel are fully vaccinated!
You better hope that VADE does not occur when a breakout strain occurs!

Sorry, but what the hell is 'VADE'....... I've watched and read a lot about COVID and I have never seen that abbreviation. Perhaps consider carefully when using such abbreviations whether or not people will understand what you're on about....

Turnleft080 5th Aug 2021 11:12


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 11090138)
Iím afraid Lockdowns will be around until early next year. I understand it sucks but thereís no point resisting. We are now
experiencing what pretty much every country around the world has found. No single country has controlled Delta, Iím actuallly
embarrassed we thought we could rein it in. Typical arrogant idiots that though we were the best. We lost the chance and now are
about to pay for it big time.

So Dan brought out the same speech. It's better to have a 7 day lockdown than a 3 month lockdown.
We know now a 3 day circuit breaker is effectively a 2 week lockdown. A one week lockdown,
is effectivly a 3 week lockdown. Disregard the WHOs advice that a lockdown is only meant to bend the cure.
The Vic health experts (the best ones in the world) want to eliminate and squash. Ask a 10 yo that.

PoppaJo 5th Aug 2021 11:25

Elimination is done. The East Coast is stuck with yo-yo lockdowns for the rest of the year and Sydney is done for the year. This will be one of the most miserable places on earth to be in for the next half however the end is not far off folks hang in there.

19 months into this thing. 6 to run.

AerialPerspective 5th Aug 2021 11:34


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11090165)
So Dan brought out the same speech. It's better to have a 7 day lockdown than a 3 month lockdown.
We know now a 3 day circuit breaker is effectively a 2 week lockdown. A one week lockdown,
is effectivly a 3 week lockdown. Disregard the WHOs advice that a lockdown is only meant to bend the cure.
The Vic health experts (the best ones in the world) want to eliminate and squash. Ask a 10 yo that.

Yes, but on every occasion he's said the period of time and noted it could end earlier or could go longer as the figures are monitored daily and throughout the day.

People are quick to criticize Dan Andrew's but I'd like them to point to one other Premier in this country that has accomplished what they said they would and in his case, at least one major project was ahead of schedule in late 2019 which is why the people of Victoria overwhelmingly re-elected his government at the last State election, only outstripped by the resounding victory of McGowan in WA. The difference between a Honda Civic and the WA Liberal Party is that a Honda Civic has twice as many seats.

StudentInDebt 5th Aug 2021 11:38


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11090153)
Sorry, but what the hell is 'VADE'....... I've watched and read a lot about COVID and I have never seen that abbreviation. Perhaps consider carefully when using such abbreviations whether or not people will understand what you're on about....

Vaccine-Enhanced Disease Enhancement. The latest thing people who have no idea what they are talking about will tell you to convince themselves that the COVID vaccines are dangerous (after finding out about it on their Aunty Dorisí Facebook timeline).

MickG0105 5th Aug 2021 11:45


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11090153)
Sorry, but what the hell is 'VADE'....... I've watched and read a lot about COVID and I have never seen that abbreviation. Perhaps consider carefully when using such abbreviations whether or not people will understand what you're on about....

Vaccine-associated disease enhancement (VADE), a less commonly used term derived from the more commonly used vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED). It's closer to Vader, so possibly chosen as the more "sinister" alternative.

Over 4 billion SARS CoV-2 vaccine doses administered; number of reports of either antibody-dependent enhancement or vaccine-associated disease enhancement?

patty50 5th Aug 2021 12:23


Originally Posted by 43Inches (Post 11090144)

Only the state full of halfwits that can't follow simple instructions called NSW is losing it for us. And again a heap of people thinking Sydney is 'all' of Australia.


And a heap of people thinking Fairfield is Ďallí of Sydney.

The media love to show evil unmasked walkers at Cronulla/Bondi/Manly, but it sure isnít those folks spreading it.

Gladysí mistake was thinking that all people are as rule abiding as her local constituents. Itís racist to have cops in Fairfield so we stick our head in the sand and hope that if Kerry Chant begs hard enough theyíll finally stay home.

43Inches 5th Aug 2021 12:31

This is taking a silly turn.

ADE can happen to any antibodies, naturally created or vaccine created.

So this year you could get Covid and next year it lets its mutant cousin in for revenge.

OR

The same could happen with a vaccine.

The main difference is that the vaccine has been made specifically to avoid ADE. ADE is not a new concept, it is understood, and is part of the trials. Any early stage vaccines that showed potential for ADE were scrubbed and the replaced.

Again, this is people reading a topic briefly, assigning it to something that they don't understand. If you really want to know, read in depth why ADE is unlikely, especially in relation to Covid vaccines.

Only a few viruses are capable of taking advantage of ADE anyway, Dengue being one of them as it rotates itself through 4 different strains, which specifically take advantage of antibodies to gain access. If Covid shows to be one of those, get set for some bad times and even more importance on not getting the virus in the first place. Anyone that knows how dengue operates and gets worse with each occurrence would know how that turns out.

Turnleft080 5th Aug 2021 12:42

We are a victim of our own success. We as an island have kept as much of the virus out by closing borders. All the premiers are
now brain washed and will want zero all the time. Zero is in their DNA. Scomo wants 70% though will the states comply. That is
the question. When 70% is achieved cases will skyrocket, some will still go to hospital, ICU, though will the premiers allow that.
They have no choice to open the whole country, they need to change that DNA from zero to living with it.

43Inches 5th Aug 2021 12:46

Actually the premiers have been pretty much the same line for over a year now. Lockdowns until vaccinations reach appropriate levels and then good luck. Sydney just played with fire a few days too long and burnt the house down.

ruprecht 5th Aug 2021 12:48

I thought VADE was LUKís dadÖ

Xeptu 5th Aug 2021 13:05


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11090209)
We are a victim of our own success. We as an island have kept as much of the virus out by closing borders. All the premiers are
now brain washed and will want zero all the time. Zero is in their DNA. Scomo wants 70% though will the states comply. That is
the question. When 70% is achieved cases will skyrocket, some will still go to hospital, ICU, though will the premiers allow that.
They have no choice to open the whole country, they need to change that DNA from zero to living with it.

Well that's not a politicians call is it, that decision is on us the people. We need to have the conversation, it'll be the most watched Q&A session of all time I would think.

Our girls volunteered to help VIC in it's time of need and all of them came home infected, a good many of yours too. Mine are still affected from it, Long Covid they call it.
They can't be vaccinated yet, I don't know enough about it to tell u why, but in any case we have made our decision and I know we're not alone that we cannot be infected a second time,
So we have a very well organised bugout plan should that become necessary. one of the issues was the feeling of walking away from people in need, the ICU is the very last line of defence. My pitch to them to make them feel better is that you can't help anyone if your incapable yourself.
What you have written here in the last few hours gives us confidence our plan is sound and we should'nt worry too much about those that don't care anyway.


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