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Potsie Weber 11th Jun 2021 07:56


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 11060190)
The point about armed guards is pathetic. Unless you place guards in a line along the entire border, it's not going to stop someone determined to break the rules. Also, we may be on the road to it but we're not yet a police state.

Making the penalties massive is one effective deterrent. Poaching abalone, raiding cray pots, exceeding catch limits etc, the potential fines are huge along with having your boat confiscated. It’s hard to police, so fisheries make the fines so large that the fine itself is enough to limit people committing the offence, even if the risk of getting caught is quite small.

Dannyboy39 12th Jun 2021 07:56

Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?

ScepticalOptomist 12th Jun 2021 09:53


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11060722)
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?

Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!” :ugh:

SOPS 12th Jun 2021 11:36


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11060722)
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?

What does this mean??

601 12th Jun 2021 12:34


Lockdown stringency index
Sounds like a new industry we need to get into on the ground floor.

Ladloy 12th Jun 2021 21:46


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11060778)
Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!” :ugh:

Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.

ScepticalOptomist 13th Jun 2021 07:43


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11061100)
Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.

And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…

Fuel-Off 13th Jun 2021 08:34


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11061219)
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…

Hear, Hear! Emphatically seconded!

Ladloy 13th Jun 2021 11:52


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11061219)
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…

I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign

ScepticalOptomist 13th Jun 2021 11:58


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11061301)
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign

You would think so. On the bright side - the vaccination rates seem to be trending in the right direction.

We may be mostly done by end of the year yet.

Keg 13th Jun 2021 12:39


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11061301)
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign

Supply of Pfizer vaccines in big numbers don’t come online for another couple of months.

evansb 14th Jun 2021 00:44

Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..

compressor stall 14th Jun 2021 00:54


Originally Posted by evansb (Post 11061589)
Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..

https://covidborderaccountability.orghttps://covidborderaccountability.org/




DirectAnywhere 14th Jun 2021 01:48

The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.

https://burnet.edu.au/news/1450_thou...odelling_shows


We found that if the virus enters the community when 60 per cent vaccine coverage has been reached and is left unchecked, we could see 4,885 deaths in Victoria within a year if no public health responses are introduced,” Dr Scott said.
Even with vaccine coverage at a highly unlikely 95%, in Victoria


the number of deaths reduces to 1346.​​​​​​
There are, of course, certain underlying assumptions to the modelling regarding efficacy and variant transmissibility, which seem quite reasonable.

In other words, without continued restrictions, based on people's stated willingness to vaccinate, we're looking at 5000 deaths a year in Victoria alone. Such an outcome would clearly be unacceptable in the current climate. Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.

kingRB 14th Jun 2021 02:57


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11061608)
The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.

yeah because all their modelling on impacts so far have been super accurate :rolleyes:

The only thing that's sobering is people continuing to swallow this crap and not seeing the repeating pattern that they continue to use whatever modelling they want to justify escalating levels of control.


ruprecht 14th Jun 2021 03:17


Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere (Post 11061608)
Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.

10 a day..? Mate, ONE death a day would see the nation in meltdown. The equivalent in the USA would be 13 deaths per day.

Completely insane.

Joker89 14th Jun 2021 08:03


Originally Posted by kingRB (Post 11061622)
yeah because all their modelling on impacts so far have been super accurate :rolleyes:

The only thing that's sobering is people continuing to swallow this crap and not seeing the repeating pattern that they continue to use whatever modelling they want to justify escalating levels of control.

indeed, each new variant is going to cause widespread devastation. Until it doesn’t. Then wait for the next variant and spread the same message.

AerialPerspective 14th Jun 2021 08:04


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11060252)
Making the penalties massive is one effective deterrent. Poaching abalone, raiding cray pots, exceeding catch limits etc, the potential fines are huge along with having your boat confiscated. It’s hard to police, so fisheries make the fines so large that the fine itself is enough to limit people committing the offence, even if the risk of getting caught is quite small.

Yet, the death penalty in many countries for either murder or drug trafficking does not act as any deterrent at all to murder or people trafficking or peddling illicit drugs.

novice110 14th Jun 2021 08:58

From the Burnet modelling :

" The scenarios do not currently include any major public health response to gain control of outbreaks. On detection of the first case, the model assumes symptomatic testing increases (isolation of positive cases continues), masks become recommended but not mandatory, and contact tracing continues but only up to 250 diagnoses per day. Hence the projections represent hypothetical near-worst-case scenarios.

Hypothetical

Near Worst Case

Scenarios

Chronic Snoozer 14th Jun 2021 12:11


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11060201)
people on this forum are a bit slow.

Yeah but you write so fast!


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