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Green.Dot 26th May 2021 09:09


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11051586)
The original case came from SA hotel quarantine so im guessing the media will get stuck into Marshall just like they would into Andrews if it was a case escaping from Vic hotel quarantine,im guessing no chance.

I hope so. Only good bit of the latest outbreak in Melbourne is not seeing DAs smug face on TV.

Troo believer 26th May 2021 10:22


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 11051584)
I see you are still looking for your dummy!

Still waiting for your response. You threw the grenade mate not me. Back it up with the infinite wisdom you apparently possess. Come on what have you got? Back it up. I have. No dummy spit but I see you have your foot planted deeply in your mouth. Waiting waiting waiting.

Ozbiggles seriously
Fake news. Bullshit science. Flawed logic. False information.

aviation_enthus 26th May 2021 10:50


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 11051586)
The original case came from SA hotel quarantine so im guessing the media will get stuck into Marshall just like they would into Andrews if it was a case escaping from Vic hotel quarantine,im guessing no chance.

No chance!

Why would they when the “original case” arrived in Victoria back on the 4th May. He even got tested on May 10th after developing symptoms. So since then it’s been a Victorian problem. It’ll be a Victorian failure when their contact tracing is unable to keep up as well!!

How many chances has Victoria had to prove their incompetence? Plenty so far.

aviation_enthus 26th May 2021 10:57

Travel insurance
 
Just to put another rumour to bed....

You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows:

Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!!
- Emirates
- Fly Dubai

Insurers:
- AIG
- staysure
​​​​​​- AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated)

That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search.

If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”.

Troo believer 26th May 2021 11:12


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11051672)
Just to put another rumour to bed....

You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows:

Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!!
- Emirates
- Fly Dubai

Insurers:
- AIG
- staysure
​​​​​​- AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated)

That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search.

If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”.

Nice work.

So Ozbiggles and Dyslexicod have both been discredited by a little research and a strong bullshit meter. Credibility ZERO.

dysslexicgod 26th May 2021 11:42

From the Good2Go travel insurance website:

If you are purchasing a new Domestic Travel Insurance policy on or after 25 November 2020, the following is a summary of what is covered and not covered for COVID-19.

Due to the widespread media reports on COVID-19, and the World Health Organization (WHO) announcement declaring COVID-19 a pandemic, COVID-19 is a foreseen or known event. Therefore, subject to the paragraph below, any losses for trip cancellation, trip delay and/or additional expenses caused by or due to COVID-19 are not considered unexpected, unknown and/or unforeseeable, and will not be covered under the terms and conditions of all Leisure Travel Insurance policies underwritten by AIG Australia Limited.

However, if you are diagnosed with COVID-19 after the purchase of an individual Leisure Travel Insurance policy and such diagnosis is made prior to departure, you will be covered for trip cancellation, provided you have a valid, confirmed and documented diagnosis at the time of departure. If you are diagnosed with COVID-19 while on a covered trip, you will be covered for additional expenses, provided you have a valid, confirmed and documented diagnosis and provided your trip was not in conflict with any state, territory, federal government or health authority travel advisory, restrictions or warnings. However, such coverage is always subject to you meeting all other terms and conditions of your policy........



..and similar from the medibank travel insurance website: "

We don’t provide cover for

  • If the government bans travel to the country or part of the country you are travelling to before or during your trip, such as through “Do Not Travel” warnings.
  • Government directed border closures.
  • Some benefits are not covered if your trip includes a multi-night cruise.
  • Mandatory quarantine or self-isolation requirements related to cross border, area, region or territory travel."

Troo believer and Aviation Enthusiast, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

None of you know about "fine print" do you? Didn't think so.

As I said earlier, if Covid19 killed 20 somethings and thirty somethings like you, and not your parents and grandparents, you would be screaming from the rooftops for total lockdown.

You will have to wait for your inheritance a little longer my friend.

Bend alot 26th May 2021 11:50


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11051672)
Just to put another rumour to bed....

You CAN get travel insurance right now, even with COVID coverage. Despite what some of you keep insisting, a quick google search shows:

Not only do airlines offer it as part of the ticket!!
- Emirates
- Fly Dubai

Insurers:
- AIG
- staysure
​​​​​​- AXA (with 20% discount if you’re vaccinated)

That was what I found in a quick 30 sec Google search.

If you take your head out of the sand, the rest of the world is actually trying to find a way forward. We will be left behind with the current “zero risk” approach. Nothing in life is “zero risk”.


You can get Croc Insurance in the NT.

https://www.traveller.com.au/covid19...losures-h1v1rc

aviation_enthus 26th May 2021 12:21


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11051702)
From the Good2Go travel insurance website:

Troo believer and Aviation Enthusiast, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

None of you know about "fine print" do you? Didn't think so.

As I said earlier, if Covid19 killed 20 somethings and thirty somethings like you, and not your parents and grandparents, you would be screaming from the rooftops for total lockdown.

You will have to wait for your inheritance a little longer my friend.

Great, you found a couple of Australian travel insurers that don’t cover COVID. Completely ignored the facts (and companies) I referenced to prove otherwise.

Besides that, why would ANY Australian travel insurer even bother offering COVID coverage when Australians are banned from travelling overseas??


Want fine print???
(From the Emirates INCLUDED travel insurance)

What you are covered for:
We will pay up to the amount shown in the table of benefits for the necessary and reasonable costs as a result of You becoming ill (including due to any Epidemic or Pandemic), being injured or dying during Your Trip.


https://www.emirates.com/ae/english/...vel-insurance/

https://c.ekstatic.net/ecl/documents...AXks7Yecg7Fk1Q

Oh and I’m perfectly happy to wait for my inheritance.... Trying to point out some common sense seems to require more patience though!

Bend alot 26th May 2021 12:35


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11051723)
Great, you found a couple of Australian travel insurers that don’t cover COVID. Completely ignored the facts (and companies) I referenced to prove otherwise.

Besides that, why would ANY Australian travel insurer even bother offering COVID coverage when Australians are banned from travelling overseas??


Want fine print???
(From the Emirates INCLUDED travel insurance)

What you are covered for:
We will pay up to the amount shown in the table of benefits for the necessary and reasonable costs as a result of You becoming ill (including due to any Epidemic or Pandemic), being injured or dying during Your Trip.

!

I never plan on sickness or injury on my trips & may or may not have taken "travel insurance"

It is no different with this insurance - the stuff I need covered post Covid is not covered only if I get sick or injured.

I have lost a number of things on trips in the past 15 months ___ None of your "new insurances" would cover those losses, as I was not sick or injured by it.

Troo believer 26th May 2021 12:37


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11051702)
From the Good2Go travel insurance website:

Troo believer and Aviation Enthusiast, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

None of you know about "fine print" do you? Didn't think so.

As I said earlier, if Covid19 killed 20 somethings and thirty somethings like you, and not your parents and grandparents, you would be screaming from the rooftops for total lockdown.

You will have to wait for your inheritance a little longer my friend.

No mate no idea about fine print. 40 years of flying but never read the fine print. How stupid of me. How the fu*k did I get my command not reading the fine print.
BTW, How’s the Cherokee going.


dysslexicgod 26th May 2021 14:40

Phew! It’s a good thing that I can read occasionally. Enthusiast: The Emirates policy does not cover Australian ticket holders in the associated list and in any case. read general exclusions 13 and 22.​​​​​​. If the government says “don’t travel” and you do, well, you are SOL.

‘’I’m amazed at how trusting you are of insurers. Me? Not much.

‘’Sorry but I have to go and chase a wombat off my lawn.

P.s. I’d love a Cherokee if I could find one. Last I heard, sales of light aircraft and experimental kits were booming, as are caravan and 4WD, nobody is spending on international travel, but that is off topic.

aviation_enthus 26th May 2021 15:02


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11051811)
Phew! It’s a good thing that I can read occasionally. Enthusiast: The Emirates policy does not cover Australian ticket holders in the associated list and in any case. read general exclusions 13 and 22.​​​​​​. If the government says “don’t travel” and you do, well, you are SOL

Yes I’ll give you that, however you could argue being given a specific exemption to travel (through the application process) means you would be covered.

Also the fact the Australian government bans ALL international travel is sort of the point of this thread.... If they allowed you to leave there are actually a growing number of countries that will let you in.

Besides, the point I was trying to make was that you CAN get travel insurance with COVID coverage.


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11051811)
‘’I’m amazed at how trusting you are of insurers. Me? Not much.

Again, making some other dig instead of just sticking to the debate.....

blubak 26th May 2021 22:16


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11051664)
No chance!

Why would they when the “original case” arrived in Victoria back on the 4th May. He even got tested on May 10th after developing symptoms. So since then it’s been a Victorian problem. It’ll be a Victorian failure when their contact tracing is unable to keep up as well!!

How many chances has Victoria had to prove their incompetence? Plenty so far.

The SA health authorities have confirmed he caught the virus in an adelaide quarantine hotel so isnt that a failing in the SA hotel quarantine system.

dysslexicgod 26th May 2021 23:11

Indications are that Victoria goes into lockdown shortly.

minigundiplomat 26th May 2021 23:23


Yep, lets all start drinking more, driving faster, take more drugs and breaking more rules because we are all going to die sometime....that is your projection, not some CMO which you seem to think you are smarter than. Aviation (to come back a little closer to topic) is all about risk mitigation. Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead doesn't work in a Pandemic.
It's ok to be a scared little bunny wabbit - we'll keep you safe from the scary killer virus.

Drinking isn't banned, driving fast isn't banned, just taxed, injecting rooms are ok in Brett Sutton land. Cancer kills many more people in Australia, but we havent banned sunbathing, smoking or red meat - you're argument is pure 'whataboutery'.

How about we all get vaccinated and open up, and those that are scared little bunny wabbits give up work and lock themselves away?

Foxxster 26th May 2021 23:42


Originally Posted by dysslexicgod (Post 11052048)
Indications are that Victoria goes into lockdown shortly.

yes seems like a 7 to 10 days lockdown. Up to 25 new cases. And meanwhile Victorians are racing to cross into NSW and potentially spread the virus to Sydney.

once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up …

StudentInDebt 26th May 2021 23:53


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 11051822)

Also the fact the Australian government bans ALL international travel is sort of the point of this thread.... If they allowed you to leave there are actually a growing number of countries that will let you in.

The Australian government does not ban all international travel, it is highly restricted however.

minigundiplomat 27th May 2021 00:13


once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up …
But the system is 'gold standard', Dan said so.......

blubak 27th May 2021 00:17


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11052064)
yes seems like a 7 to 10 days lockdown. Up to 25 new cases. And meanwhile Victorians are racing to cross into NSW and potentially spread the virus to Sydney.

once again the grossly incompetent Victorian tracing systems has stuffed up …

More like the selfish public has stuffed up,people that think qr codes dont apply to them,people that think wearing a mask on public transport doesnt apply to them & people who think they are above any law they dont like.
These are facts,you are just assuming the contact tracing system is stuffed because it suits your political agenda.
How stuffed is scomos vaccination system,he prefers to make himself look like the fool he is with embarrasing photo opportunities.

minigundiplomat 27th May 2021 00:26

Hey Citizen Blubak,

please pass on my regards for a speedy recovery next time you see your glorious chairman.


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