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Fonz121 12th May 2021 12:14


I’ve witnessed first hand in the US car crash victims being chalked up as Covid death even though Covid had zero to do with it, the deceased wasn’t even tested for it
Can you elaborate on the details of this?

LostWanderer 12th May 2021 17:20


Originally Posted by havick (Post 11043041)
Think youíre misinterpreting my point.

Iím vaccinated.

My point was all the data and cases loads and deaths youíre reading about in the USA is massively inflated.

Iíve witnessed first hand in the US car crash victims being chalked up as Covid death even though Covid had zero to do with it, the deceased wasnít even tested for it.

Secondly I personally know of more than a few people that we positive for Covid, took two weeks off, and then tested positive another 9-10 times after the two weeks. All the subsequent positive tests (from the same person!), counted as new Covid cases here in the US.

The above is the norm, not the exception.

Ugh...I thought people moved past this ridiculous conspiracy theory.
The car accident thing has been proven as utterly false, initially let loose on the public by a conservative FOX news host crackpot. Again, it is not true and never has been.
As for the testing being counted repeatedly, this actually did happen in VERY few locations and these numbers were corrected once it was identified the hospital staff had been mistakenly counting multiple cases, the amount of difference it made on the total numbers was negligible.

Climb150 12th May 2021 18:53

There was some evidence that people on Medicare (US govt subsidised medical cover for over 65s) were having their death certificates state cause of death as CoVID, even if they had recovered from it or they were never tested before death. This is because the hospital would get a bigger payout on insurance if cause of death was CoVID.

This wasn't widespread and was stamped out pretty quickly.

Foxxster 12th May 2021 22:32

Well who can believe any WuHu flu death statistics. The UK are saying their numbers could be overstated by something like 25% while Fauci in the US is saying the real number of deaths is more likely 900,000 not 600,000. So UNDERstated by 33%.

And if you have two advanced countries questioning their own numbers by a very large margin but in opposite directions then you would have to put a very large question mark over ALL numbers.

So yes the numbers on the whole are rubbish. And of course we now have India. The numbers there may as well have been pulled out of a hat.

ruprecht 12th May 2021 23:10

The graphs on excess mortality are a good indication that something is going on.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...ality-p-scores

rattman 13th May 2021 00:09


Originally Posted by havick (Post 11043041)

Secondly I personally know of more than a few people that we positive for Covid, took two weeks off, and then tested positive another 9-10 times after the two weeks. All the subsequent positive tests (from the same person!), counted as new Covid cases here in the US.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...medium=Twitter

also why would they be tested 10 times, so much BS in your comment you sound like trump / conspiracy nut

Foxxster 13th May 2021 04:10


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11043562)
The graphs on excess mortality are a good indication that something is going on.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...ality-p-scores

yes I am not denying that.

actually the US figures were from this study which indicates a lot more suspected under reporting. I believe Fauci knew about the study but didnít actually agree with the 900,000 number. He did say there was under reporting .

I canít find the other study from the UK showing large over reporting. I read it around a month ago.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1188


kingRB 13th May 2021 22:45


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11043582)
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...medium=Twitter

also why would they be tested 10 times, so much BS in your comment you sound like trump / conspiracy nut

your point being what? your link states there's evidence that the virus will keep setting off positive PCR tests well after someone has recovered from an infection. Which means many positive tests are bogus.
There's many instances in the US with work where they test people as a condition of entry - so being tested numerous times like that doesn't seem unusual.

jrfsp 14th May 2021 05:05

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-...eats/100140260

First Indian repatriation post-ban flight left half empty due to the amount of passengers testing positive...hopefully they will oversell to avoid the flight leaving with so many empty seats. Will be interesting to see how many will further test positive at a later date in quarantine.

SOPS 14th May 2021 05:11

And if there is a leak out of HS, you watch those state borders slam shut again.

Cafe City 14th May 2021 06:34


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11044240)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-...eats/100140260

First Indian repatriation post-ban flight left half empty due to the amount of passengers testing positive...hopefully they will oversell to avoid the flight leaving with so many empty seats. Will be interesting to see how many will further test positive at a later date in quarantine.

Does it matter if they ALL have it? Isnít that the presumption and purpose of quarantine anyway? How ever many we let in, we are meant to able to cope with all of them having it, arenít we???

CFD 14th May 2021 07:11


Originally Posted by Cafe City (Post 11044263)
Does it matter if they ALL have it? Isnít that the presumption and purpose of quarantine anyway? How ever many we let in, we are meant to able to cope with all of them having it, arenít we???

Actually no..... the NT government has been very clear about this. We can cope with a maximum of 100 positive cases in Howard Springs and no more than one or two that require intensive care beds without crashing our one and only public hospital in Darwin which does not have many intensive care beds at all. If too many test positive they will slow down the number of Indian arrivals.... after all we are a tiny jurisdiction of only 250,000 people.

CFD 14th May 2021 07:18


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11044240)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-...eats/100140260

First Indian repatriation post-ban flight left half empty due to the amount of passengers testing positive...hopefully they will oversell to avoid the flight leaving with so many empty seats. Will be interesting to see how many will further test positive at a later date in quarantine.

It doesn't leave until tonight. Of the 70 to be left behind about 40 tested positive from the PCR test conducted in the last 2 days (and the other 30 are close contacts). Additionally there is a rapid antigen test to be done before boarding the aircraft so wouldn't be surprised if there are some more discovered.
Don't think overselling comes into it..... the passengers apparently were in hotels paid for by Qantas (for the first round of testing) .... so I would guess just the ones planned to get flown back!

patty50 14th May 2021 07:21

Crazy that of a relatively random sample of 150 people in India who are probably richer and more health conscious than average, still 70 returned a positive test. Vindication for scomo in turning off the arrivals from India. Vastly more positives coming from there than the US at their peak.

ruprecht 14th May 2021 07:24

They should keep going down the list until they get enough pax testing negative to fill a 787.

ScepticalOptomist 14th May 2021 09:09


Originally Posted by CFD (Post 11044282)
Actually no..... the NT government has been very clear about this. We can cope with a maximum of 100 positive cases in Howard Springs and no more than one or two that require intensive care beds without crashing our one and only public hospital in Darwin which does not have many intensive care beds at all. If too many test positive they will slow down the number of Indian arrivals.... after all we are a tiny jurisdiction of only 250,000 people.

What a terribly thought out plan that was! A quarantine facility that canít actually quarantine the sick.

rattman 14th May 2021 09:23


Originally Posted by patty50 (Post 11044289)
Crazy that of a relatively random sample of 150 people in India who are probably richer and more health conscious than average, still 70 returned a positive test. Vindication for scomo in turning off the arrivals from India. Vastly more positives coming from there than the US at their peak.

only 40 positives, 30 are negative but cant fly as they are close contact to a positive. that said 27% positive rate is freaking scary number

CFD 14th May 2021 09:23


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11044363)
What a terribly thought out plan that was! A quarantine facility that canít actually quarantine the sick.

My understanding.... its not about quarantining the sick any more than hotel quarantine is.... its about returning people and managing a certain percentage that may be sick. pretty sure any state would be the same if they had one flight arrive with 1/4 of the passengers infected

CFD 14th May 2021 09:33


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11044378)
only 40 positives, 30 are negative but cant fly as they are close contact to a positive. that said 27% positive rate is freaking scary number

Particularly as they were in a hotel paid for by Qantas and that was the first covid test..... i assume they were asymptomatic.... even more scary. Lets see what the rapid test says on the remaining passengers before they board the flight to Darwin tonight.... that might or might not be even more scarey!
I live in Darwin and to be clear I do support returning Australians.... but ... we are a small territory with a small population and it has to be managed to be safe to the locals.

ScepticalOptomist 14th May 2021 11:36


Originally Posted by CFD (Post 11044380)
My understanding.... its not about quarantining the sick any more than hotel quarantine is.... its about returning people and managing a certain percentage that may be sick. pretty sure any state would be the same if they had one flight arrive with 1/4 of the passengers infected

No, thatís what being scared and ill prepared gets us. Weíve had over a year to prepare for how to handle inbound Aussies - fortress Australia is a joke - but we tell ourselves weíre the best.


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