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I heard Qantaslink/Network Aviaiton's pilots having a 2 day strike - Wednesday 14 and Thursday 15 of Feb, but I also read online that the strike could possibly go into a third day - Friday 16 February. I mention this because I have work staff in KGI/YPKG who are due to fly back to Perth on Friday 16 February, I dont want them stranded. Are the strikes heading into a third day?
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
Network QantasLink PIA Includes Friday
I heard Qantaslink/Network Aviaiton's pilots having a 2 day strike - Wednesday 14 and Thursday 15 of Feb, but I also read online that the strike could possibly go into a third day - Friday 16 February. I mention this because I have work staff in KGI/YPKG who are due to fly back to Perth on Friday 16 February, I dont want them stranded. Are the strikes heading into a third day?
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
They are definitely PIA through to Friday UNLESS QF relents in their “hard-ball” attitude towards their pilots who earn LESS then their competitors across the road (VARA/previously formerly Skywest) who fly the exact same Aircraft .
What a pity that their management team treat them with such contempt with an expired Eba agreement going back almost 4 years .
Just imagine your workers with NO pay rises in 4 years !
Cheers
Buddy
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Hi Saintly
They are definitely PIA through to Friday UNLESS QF relents in their “hard-ball” attitude towards their pilots who earn LESS then their competitors across the road (VARA/previously formerly Skywest) who fly the exact same Aircraft .
What a pity that their management team treat them with such contempt with an expired Eba agreement going back almost 4 years .
Just imagine your workers with NO pay rises in 4 years !
Cheers
Buddy
They are definitely PIA through to Friday UNLESS QF relents in their “hard-ball” attitude towards their pilots who earn LESS then their competitors across the road (VARA/previously formerly Skywest) who fly the exact same Aircraft .
What a pity that their management team treat them with such contempt with an expired Eba agreement going back almost 4 years .
Just imagine your workers with NO pay rises in 4 years !
Cheers
Buddy
Thanks for letting me know. Looks like ill need to arrange and look at alternative flights, probably use VA.
But yes it's not good and the Network pilots absolutely deserve more money. What's the difference in pay for Network pilots compared to VARA pilots?
In terms of the strikes, I'll say this: I'm a union member in another industry. Striking is the absolute last option that unions and their members take and when striking is the only option, then most of the time all other avenues in terms of negotiating for a suitable pay/conditions have been looked into. When members of a union decide to strike, then you know the situation is not good and the situation calls for striking. No one wants to strike - including unions and their members. But sometimes striking is the only way to send a very loud and clear message.
I wish all Network pilots well during this tricky period and I hope they get the outcome that they absolutely deserve.
Cheers,
Saintly.
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To anyone reading this who is an AIPA rep, com member etc. Keg you're the president, aren’t you?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
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100% soseg. Meanwhile the guys over there in Perth SH get a survey about the accomodation in the Pilbara when 95% of the pilbara flying has been lost?! Priorities.
To anyone reading this who is an AIPA rep, com member etc. Keg you're the president, aren’t you?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
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To anyone reading this who is an AIPA rep, com member etc. Keg you're the president, aren’t you?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
Go to AFAP like so many others are now doing. At least they might listen and take action because they’re completely separate from the company.
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Oh the Ginbata survey. I heard about that. Only many many years too late!
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Aren’t they the ones driving change for the F/Os who are electing to fly on days of PIA. From what I hear check and trainers, new hires and F/Os are flying. Don’t shoot those that got off their backsides and went abroad to further their careers. If F/Os want change and a big house in the finer suburbs, show some solidarity and play a part in your own future.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome, using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down. Those who are expressing platitudes and hyperbole such as "stay strong brothers", etc., should ask themselves whether they are taking a hit themselves or simply encouraging others to do the dirty work and take a loss on their behalf.
I have not personally pushed for a Yes or a No vote in this forum. However, I have called for objective analysis rather than emotional reactions and an end to bullying and vilification of those who may hold a differing view.
No one is shooting them; just wondering if they will help the FOs feed their families while the "well-heeled" pursue their agenda of burning it down and then returning to HK.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome, using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down. Those who are expressing platitudes and hyperbole such as "stay strong brothers", etc., should ask themselves whether they are taking a hit themselves or simply encouraging others to do the dirty work and take a loss on their behalf.
I have not personally pushed for a Yes or a No vote in this forum. However, I have called for objective analysis rather than emotional reactions and an end to bullying and vilification of those who may hold a differing view.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome, using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down. Those who are expressing platitudes and hyperbole such as "stay strong brothers", etc., should ask themselves whether they are taking a hit themselves or simply encouraging others to do the dirty work and take a loss on their behalf.
I have not personally pushed for a Yes or a No vote in this forum. However, I have called for objective analysis rather than emotional reactions and an end to bullying and vilification of those who may hold a differing view.
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haha this is the dumbest thing I've read. They probably would contribute to it too....no need to be spiteful
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To anyone reading this who is an AIPA rep, com member etc. Keg you're the president, aren’t you?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
An open internet rumour forum is hardly the place to outline negotiation strategy.
Network members get their own updates from AIPA
From my conversations with AIPA, they have indicated they have no interest in using an EA negotiation for one EA to attempt to benefit a different one.
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No one is shooting them; just wondering if they will help the FOs feed their families while the "well-heeled" pursue their agenda of burning it down and then returning to HK.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome, using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down. Those who are expressing platitudes and hyperbole such as "stay strong brothers", etc., should ask themselves whether they are taking a hit themselves or simply encouraging others to do the dirty work and take a loss on their behalf.
I have not personally pushed for a Yes or a No vote in this forum. However, I have called for objective analysis rather than emotional reactions and an end to bullying and vilification of those who may hold a differing view.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome, using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down. Those who are expressing platitudes and hyperbole such as "stay strong brothers", etc., should ask themselves whether they are taking a hit themselves or simply encouraging others to do the dirty work and take a loss on their behalf.
I have not personally pushed for a Yes or a No vote in this forum. However, I have called for objective analysis rather than emotional reactions and an end to bullying and vilification of those who may hold a differing view.
What are the former CX pilots returning to after having burned it all down exactly? Is anyone expected to believe they'll happily return to CX after what happened to that airline and what is happening to that city?
People can be forgiven for thinking you might not be who you claim to be.
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The opportunity cost may be the same in monetary terms, but it's a completely different story in terms of affordability.
Let me be clear: I don't condone the experiences people have had to go through while dealing with an unfair and unconscionable IR policy for so many years, and neither does the highest court in the land. However, channelling anger and resentment towards past injustices and wanting to "stick it to them" may not lead to the desired outcome."
For everyone else, with evidence of a genuine Crew shortage supplied by Network Mgmt themselves ie Total experience required is now 500 hours, the prospect of landing any other Pilot job is extremely favourable if indeed the joint does “burn”
It would behoove the QF IR Team to recognise these facts.
Objectively speaking, it is highly likely that this situation will lead to an intractable bargaining hearing in two or three months' time, at the earliest. Following this, FW will grant IB. The FW commissioners will take around six months to determine an outcome
Qantas can end this today by genuinely returning to the table.
using the 2016 EA (not the recently voted-down proposal) as a starting point, and the most recent modern award conditions as guidelines. They may or may not consider other EAs of similar types of businesses, but it's important to note that "same job, same pay" does not apply here.
Pyrrhic victory indeed for QF.
During the interim nine months, the crew will remain on the worst possible EA conditions, lose money due to PIA, and may or may not end up on an EA that could be better, worse, or equivalent to what has been voted down.
If the COVID lockouts QF MGMT placed on their workforce taught us anything, we can actually survive much better than we thought on much less.
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