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Corporate laws and business degree providers which still see staff as a cost to the enterprise when it’s very clear that we are anything but. The true litmus test occurs when we go on PIA, the company ceases to function, they fight tooth and nail to prevent us from accessing PIA and in the same sentence reiterate their position that we are too expensive.
They literally want to have their birthday cake and eat it too, happy birthday for the other day mate, IYKYK
They literally want to have their birthday cake and eat it too, happy birthday for the other day mate, IYKYK
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I am pretty new here, that's true, but I'm not new to business or aviation, I'm also a pretty successful person. In my experience truly great employers don't engage with their staff like this because it's bad for business across the board. I don't see a positive outcome here for either side, sadly, although I sincerely hope Network Aviation Pilots can start getting treated with a little more respect & get some of the recognition they are entitled to, best of luck.
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Hi Stevieboy,
I agree 100% with your line of thinking and I suspect most employees of Australian companies do too.
When you said
it made the likes of us who have been around the QF group for a few decades pause, blink slowly, shake our heads a bit and then realise that not everyone is as jaundiced as ourselves. The idea of the company caring about employees wellbeing and morale seems kinda cute and definitely naive.
The reality of being part of the group is that there is a lot of propaganda around ideology and modern philosophies, but that only gets investment to the minimum extent possible to be able to pull off the odd media release with a passing sense of legitimacy. If you ignore the advertising and puff pieces and look at things that actually happen, like illegal sacking of 1700 workers, or marginalising/ suspending good honest workers like Theo Seremetidis, or the Chairman’s Lounge High Court Judge issue from 2023, or the Labour hire practices that see cabin crew operating the same flight on very different salaries, or the willingness to leave a pilot group on wages that are below the award for years and years, or the ‘bundle of contractual rights’ attitude etc etc etc then it becomes clear that the share price rising and falling in the appropriate manner is what drives absolutely everything.
I do too. Mainly because I really like aviation and don’t like seeing it become a nasty place to be with declining standards.
For the last 20 or 30 years most of the levers have been pulling for corporations in the aviation industry, right now, that’s not the case. If we, as operational aviation people don’t take the shot while it is there ( maybe briefly) then the standards will fall away over the next decade to a level that I don’t think I’ll be proud to be a part of. The Corporations definitely take their shots where they can, we must do the same ( like the Network pilots have done) or we’ll be part of something very average. I don’t know one Network pilot, yet I feel proud of them. Good work folks.
I agree 100% with your line of thinking and I suspect most employees of Australian companies do too.
When you said
The company does not appear to be addressing issues like employee wellbeing & moral. They don't seem to care about their Pilots at all, rather see them as adversaries.
The reality of being part of the group is that there is a lot of propaganda around ideology and modern philosophies, but that only gets investment to the minimum extent possible to be able to pull off the odd media release with a passing sense of legitimacy. If you ignore the advertising and puff pieces and look at things that actually happen, like illegal sacking of 1700 workers, or marginalising/ suspending good honest workers like Theo Seremetidis, or the Chairman’s Lounge High Court Judge issue from 2023, or the Labour hire practices that see cabin crew operating the same flight on very different salaries, or the willingness to leave a pilot group on wages that are below the award for years and years, or the ‘bundle of contractual rights’ attitude etc etc etc then it becomes clear that the share price rising and falling in the appropriate manner is what drives absolutely everything.
I sincerely hope Network Aviation Pilots can start getting treated with a little more respect & get some of the recognition they are entitled to, best of luck.
For the last 20 or 30 years most of the levers have been pulling for corporations in the aviation industry, right now, that’s not the case. If we, as operational aviation people don’t take the shot while it is there ( maybe briefly) then the standards will fall away over the next decade to a level that I don’t think I’ll be proud to be a part of. The Corporations definitely take their shots where they can, we must do the same ( like the Network pilots have done) or we’ll be part of something very average. I don’t know one Network pilot, yet I feel proud of them. Good work folks.
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I did like Rebel Wilson's crack at the AACTA awards -
I love Queensland. It's like if Jetstar was a state.
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short flights long nights
What I don’t understand. Why do Qantas executives deserve all the big bonuses and salaries they get, if they need external help just to work out how to make planes run on time? Surely something as simple as that is a fundamental part of running an airline.
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Watch the JO video posted above about Mckinsey
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It's OPS NORMAL for most aviation-related organisations in Australia.
Among the many CASA contracts whose details must be published in accordance with a Senate Order are:
GARTNER AUSTRALASIA PTY LTD - Gartner Executive Program - $927,547.50
FUTURE LEADERSHIP PTY LTD - Team Building & Professional Development Training (EC Member - $229,300.00
DELOITTE CONSULTING PTY LTD - ESB Phase 2 - $7,777,776.88
Those details come from the two most recent lists published here and here.
(And, as with most Commonwealth agencies, CASA wastes eyewatering amounts on IT.)
Among the many CASA contracts whose details must be published in accordance with a Senate Order are:
GARTNER AUSTRALASIA PTY LTD - Gartner Executive Program - $927,547.50
FUTURE LEADERSHIP PTY LTD - Team Building & Professional Development Training (EC Member - $229,300.00
DELOITTE CONSULTING PTY LTD - ESB Phase 2 - $7,777,776.88
Those details come from the two most recent lists published here and here.
(And, as with most Commonwealth agencies, CASA wastes eyewatering amounts on IT.)
Privatise the profits , socialise the losses .
It’s all out of the same play book .
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Managers in companies who are in distress, often when they speak up or advise how to fix things, to the higher ups, they get sacked or moved on. Essentially the smart ones are removed. Generally these people leave for greener pastures regardless and the idiots remain. Which makes up a large chunk of the management ranks in corporate Oz.
Can you imagine manager’s going up to AJ and saying we’ve done all this wrong, we need to do this and we need to do that. You would be planning your funeral soon after.
Better off saying nothing, pay a zillion to get consulting groups in, get the same answers, implement the changes, and keep one’s job.
It’s a disgrace but just how the corp and political worlds work.
Can you imagine manager’s going up to AJ and saying we’ve done all this wrong, we need to do this and we need to do that. You would be planning your funeral soon after.
Better off saying nothing, pay a zillion to get consulting groups in, get the same answers, implement the changes, and keep one’s job.
It’s a disgrace but just how the corp and political worlds work.
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I am pretty new here, that's true, but I'm not new to business or aviation, I'm also a pretty successful person. In my experience truly great employers don't engage with their staff like this because it's bad for business across the board. I don't see a positive outcome here for either side, sadly, although I sincerely hope Network Aviation Pilots can start getting treated with a little more respect & get some of the recognition they are entitled to, best of luck.
I was making the point that this attitude from management has been the way for at least the last 20 years, really since the acquisition of Impulse.
This idea of divide and conquer, and pitting different pilot groups against one another, has been the hallmark of the Dixon/ Joyce eras, and now the Hudson tenure provides no evidence of intent to change that direction, despite the nice words to that effect.
The fact that the airline and its various incarnations through multiple subsidiaries continues to function is a testament to the crew (tech and cabin) and ground staff that continue to turn up and do the job to the best of their ability.
This is despite the best efforts of management to demonstrate their contempt for those very staff at every opportunity, despite the possible consequences you described above.
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Thanks for the clarity, it was kind of you. I realise I'm too old for this stuff now & not thick skinned enough for "pprune" so this is my last post, I only have 3 years to go anyway. I just lament the fact that Qantas management got so short sighted, greedy & disengaged from their cockpit crew. I look right and see many outstanding, capable & talented men & women every time I fly, I am proud of them. It saddens me to see how the Network pilots are being treated & disrespect they are being show. Good luck Network aviators and the rest of you in the "group" you're going to need it.
Thanks for the clarity, it was kind of you. I realise I'm too old for this stuff now & not thick skinned enough for "pprune" so this is my last post, I only have 3 years to go anyway. I just lament the fact that Qantas management got so short sighted, greedy & disengaged from their cockpit crew. I look right and see many outstanding, capable & talented men & women every time I fly, I am proud of them. It saddens me to see how the Network pilots are being treated & disrespect they are being show. Good luck Network aviators and the rest of you in the "group" you're going to need it.
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Ahh F..kem, Network should go for an entire week if demands are not met by Friday! Time for the pilots to be the militants that Qantas bred! Militancy is the only language Qantas understand! Setup a Gofundme asap!
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FYI non Network Pilots interested. From AFAP today.
"That now means that the company has been notified of three consecutive 24 hour stoppages of work for this coming Wednesday, Thursday and Friday (14th, 15th & 16th).Your negotiating team recognises that this is a big step, but this is in response to the clear feedback received since Qantas walked away from negotiations and also took previously agreed items off the table. "
Network Pilots keeping it real
"That now means that the company has been notified of three consecutive 24 hour stoppages of work for this coming Wednesday, Thursday and Friday (14th, 15th & 16th).Your negotiating team recognises that this is a big step, but this is in response to the clear feedback received since Qantas walked away from negotiations and also took previously agreed items off the table. "
Network Pilots keeping it real
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Shouldn't AFAP have some sort of fund that compensates these warrior pilots for lost income? If it doesn't it should start one. Like $5 a week from every member.
On the gofundme, I'd contribute, come on, somebody get it started.
On the gofundme, I'd contribute, come on, somebody get it started.
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You would be happy to learn how many Network pilots have already contributed to a bank account for their colleagues, in may cases for pilot collegues they haven't even met ! Network pilots are rewriting the book on solidarity & taking on the bully.
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