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Just shows us what type of people we are dealing with.
The management team has been dragging their feet screwing around for years now knowing full well the financial affect this is having on staff and they continue to do so. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Everytime you enter a crew room you’re looked at with absolute disgust.
The management team has been dragging their feet screwing around for years now knowing full well the financial affect this is having on staff and they continue to do so. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Everytime you enter a crew room you’re looked at with absolute disgust.
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Having flown in Mainline with quite a few ex CX Pilots of the same era I agree that their mindset would likely be to either achieve a fair & reasonable outcome for Crew or “wreck the joint”. They’ve got the financial security, experience (both Life & flying) and determination to follow through.
For everyone else, with evidence of a genuine Crew shortage supplied by Network Mgmt themselves ie Total experience required is now 500 hours, the prospect of landing any other Pilot job is extremely favourable if indeed the joint does “burn”
For everyone else, with evidence of a genuine Crew shortage supplied by Network Mgmt themselves ie Total experience required is now 500 hours, the prospect of landing any other Pilot job is extremely favourable if indeed the joint does “burn”
It would behoove the QF IR Team to recognise these facts.
[QUOTE[Objectively observing, what is the real likelihood of Gina or Twiggy allowing this cluster f@ck damage their businesses for 3 to 6 months?][/QUOTE]
That's a hard one to call. My bet is that they are and have already been lobbying State and Federal Governments to intervene and stop rolling PIA in the national interest.
Qantas can end this today by genuinely returning to the table.
[QUOTE[color=#000000]If this scenario actually materialises and the Network T &C’s actually deteriorate, how long will it take for those ex CX Crew to tender their resignation en masse?][/QUOTE]
And those unable to move will be left behind with a sh1t sandwich.
Are you objectively really purporting that this disruption will be tolerated for 9 months?
Yes, I can see the point that you are making. It's a fair call. However, It's important to remember that not everyone can afford a long and bitter fight, especially when the agenda is being driven by those who have more resources.
The opportunity cost may be the same in monetary terms, but it's a completely different story in terms of affordability.
The opportunity cost may be the same in monetary terms, but it's a completely different story in terms of affordability.
Thinking as the enemy would, with more open EAs to come why would they capitulate and show weakness? It will cost but it will show resolve
And those unable to move will be left behind with a sh1t sandwich.
Qantas and its workers aren’t
the enemy
Qantas have really screwed up.
The whole purpose of netlink was to undercut mainline terms and conditions while having a more flexible working arrangement. It was all well and good during a period of ready and available crew.
While it was flying fokkers and doing peripheral flying, it was below the radar. As soon as a bright spark stuffed it full of transcontinental capable jets, dressed up the crew in full regalia and took over RPT routes, the seed was sown.
The pilots were never going to sit back, wear the uniform, fly a red tailed jet, operate within the Qantas eco system and accept inequitable conditions. This moment was always coming.
So now Qantas has a choice. Netlink has grown too big to wind up. It has leverage with the amount of flying that has been issued to it. Qantas can either merge it into shorthaul, and use it to build from with the incoming A321s. Meet in the middle on conditions and pause the investment pipeline. Or use another group operator to compete for investment and flying such as cobham.
I would say that with a shortage of crew globally, the only way forward for Qantas is to follow the lead of the American industry which is to insource. Pay appropriate amounts for talented people. Treat them fairly thus keeping the operation viable.
It will require a management culture change at the top for this. Alan’s shadow still looms large.
The whole purpose of netlink was to undercut mainline terms and conditions while having a more flexible working arrangement. It was all well and good during a period of ready and available crew.
While it was flying fokkers and doing peripheral flying, it was below the radar. As soon as a bright spark stuffed it full of transcontinental capable jets, dressed up the crew in full regalia and took over RPT routes, the seed was sown.
The pilots were never going to sit back, wear the uniform, fly a red tailed jet, operate within the Qantas eco system and accept inequitable conditions. This moment was always coming.
So now Qantas has a choice. Netlink has grown too big to wind up. It has leverage with the amount of flying that has been issued to it. Qantas can either merge it into shorthaul, and use it to build from with the incoming A321s. Meet in the middle on conditions and pause the investment pipeline. Or use another group operator to compete for investment and flying such as cobham.
I would say that with a shortage of crew globally, the only way forward for Qantas is to follow the lead of the American industry which is to insource. Pay appropriate amounts for talented people. Treat them fairly thus keeping the operation viable.
It will require a management culture change at the top for this. Alan’s shadow still looms large.
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I heard Qantaslink/Network Aviaiton's pilots having a 2 day strike - Wednesday 14 and Thursday 15 of Feb, but I also read online that the strike could possibly go into a third day - Friday 16 February. I mention this because I have work staff in KGI/YPKG who are due to fly back to Perth on Friday 16 February, I dont want them stranded. Are the strikes heading into a third day?
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
Any help is appreciated.
Cheers,
Saintly.
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The pilots were never going to sit back, wear the uniform, fly a red tailed jet, operate within the Qantas eco system and accept inequitable conditions. This moment was always coming.
So now Qantas has a choice. Netlink has grown too big to wind up. It has leverage with the amount of flying that has been issued to it. Qantas can either merge it into shorthaul, and use it to build from with the incoming A321s.
So now Qantas has a choice. Netlink has grown too big to wind up. It has leverage with the amount of flying that has been issued to it. Qantas can either merge it into shorthaul, and use it to build from with the incoming A321s.
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Thinking as the enemy would, with more open EAs to come why would they capitulate and show weakness? It will cost but it will show resolve.
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Or, maybe having multiple EAs open, with multiple pilot groups absolutely fed up with the same old IR tactics will blow up in their faces? I would’ve thought having a bunch of EAs open would be a horrible outcome. What are they going to do if multiple groups take PIA on the same day? Lock everyone out again? How will that go down this time?
Thinking as the enemy would, with more open EAs to come why would they capitulate and show weakness? It will cost but it will show resolve.
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Or, maybe having multiple EAs open, with multiple pilot groups absolutely fed up with the same old IR tactics will blow up in their faces? I would’ve thought having a bunch of EAs open would be a horrible outcome. What are they going to do if multiple groups take PIA on the same day? Lock everyone out again? How will that go down this time?
Not a chance of a merger. Q know all they have to do is sweeten the deal slightly and they get the EA over the line.
And yet they didn’t?
And yet they didn’t?
Or, maybe having multiple EAs open, with multiple pilot groups absolutely fed up with the same old IR tactics will blow up in their faces? I would’ve thought having a bunch of EAs open would be a horrible outcome. What are they going to do if multiple groups take PIA on the same day? Lock everyone out again? How will that go down this time?
Or, maybe having multiple EAs open, with multiple pilot groups absolutely fed up with the same old IR tactics will blow up in their faces? I would’ve thought having a bunch of EAs open would be a horrible outcome. What are they going to do if multiple groups take PIA on the same day? Lock everyone out again? How will that go down this time?
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Jetstar is doing some extra Perth flights but using management pilots supposedly.
AIPA did show fortitude by rejecting the Company SH proposal to get a quick deal signed off before Xmas.
The Company said their sense of urgency sprang from their listening to the needs and desires of their Crew.
Who do you think really had their finger on the pulse of their People?
The Company said their sense of urgency sprang from their listening to the needs and desires of their Crew.
Who do you think really had their finger on the pulse of their People?
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Very interesting times.
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