Network EBA
~ $110-125k for FOs and $190-205k for captains depending on fleet. Overtime and allowances could potentially add $10 to 20k (the latter if you’re extremely lucky and/or prepared to make your life hell) on top.
Hours flown varies but 700-750 wouldn’t be unusual- our version of min guarantee would be 845. 100-120 hours of duty a month and often over 120 hours being available to the company in standby (90 minute call out- good luck planning anything on a standby). Roster flexibility is complicated but it ranges from only RDOs being protected 7 days or more out to several hours either side of a rostered duty up to the time it starts.
There are many more gripes but that gives you a reasonable indication.
Hours flown varies but 700-750 wouldn’t be unusual- our version of min guarantee would be 845. 100-120 hours of duty a month and often over 120 hours being available to the company in standby (90 minute call out- good luck planning anything on a standby). Roster flexibility is complicated but it ranges from only RDOs being protected 7 days or more out to several hours either side of a rostered duty up to the time it starts.
There are many more gripes but that gives you a reasonable indication.
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The pilots employed by the Qantas-owned Network Aviation have extended a planned two-day strike to six days, in an effort to have their pay brought up to the same level as the airlines’ 737 domestic pilots, representing a 50 per cent increase.
Qantas has offered a 25 per cent pay rise upfront, and 3 per cent annual increases, and said it cannot go higher.
A statement from Qantas said the Network Aviation pilots flew significantly fewer hours than other pilots in the group, and it was unreasonable to expect to be paid the same.
In an effort to honour bookings on FIFO and scheduled flights, Qantas has organised three 737s and charter aircraft from other airlines.
Plans to use charter aircraft and pilots in the longer term are also in place, in the event further industrial action is taken.
At least 50 flights have been cancelled on Wednesday and Thursday with more cancellations expected on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Qantas said the contingency plans meant that more than 80 per cent of Network Aviation customers would travel on the same day they were booked to travel.
The Qantas-owned Network Aviation is at the centre of an intense industrial dispute. Network Aviation chief operating officer Trevor Worgan said it was regrettable that the Australian Federation of Air Pilots continued to notify of more industrial action.
“The strike action over the next few days is clearly aimed directly at the Western Australian economy by targeting flying to and from mine sites across the state,” said Mr Worgan.
“The strikes planned over the weekend will mainly impact Western Australians travelling to regional towns across WA, including places like Geraldton, Broome and Kalgoorlie.”
AFAP senior industrial officer Chris Aikens said Qantas had angered Network pilots by walking away from negotiations, and taking previously agreed items off the bargaining table.
He said AFAP members “deeply regretted having to take this protected industrial action” but were left with no other option.
“The enterprise agreement expired in 2020 and pilots had their last pay rise in 2019,” said Mr Aikens.
“We have been negotiating in good faith for at least 18 months, but the company continues to be inflexible.”
He said Network Aviation pilots “just wanted to be treated like other Qantas pilots”.
“We remain keen and willing to meet with the company’s management to arrive at some improvements in terms and conditions for the lowest paid jet pilots in the Qantas Group,” Mr Aikens said.
Qantas said it was wrong to say they had walked away from negotiations after making three offers, all of which were voted down by the pilots despite support from unions.
The airline also denied Network Aviation pilots were paid “significantly less” than others employed by Qantas, pointing out those pilots flew “significantly fewer hours”.
In an effort to resolve the dispute, Qantas has made an intractable bargaining application to the Fair Work Commission.
If accepted, the application would see the Commission enforce a new agreement to cover the pilots, and prevent further industrial action.
Mr Worgan said they were pulling out “all stops to get customers to their destination on the same day”.
“We’ve also put in place longer-term contingency plans to protect our customers should the union persist with their strike action,” he said.
Those plans included locking in other charter aircraft and pilots to perform the Network Aviation flights
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By ROBYN IRONSIDE
- 11:43AM FEBRUARY 14, 2024
The pilots employed by the Qantas-owned Network Aviation have extended a planned two-day strike to six days, in an effort to have their pay brought up to the same level as the airlines’ 737 domestic pilots, representing a 50 per cent increase.
Qantas has offered a 25 per cent pay rise upfront, and 3 per cent annual increases, and said it cannot go higher.
A statement from Qantas said the Network Aviation pilots flew significantly fewer hours than other pilots in the group, and it was unreasonable to expect to be paid the same.
In an effort to honour bookings on FIFO and scheduled flights, Qantas has organised three 737s and charter aircraft from other airlines.
Plans to use charter aircraft and pilots in the longer term are also in place, in the event further industrial action is taken.
At least 50 flights have been cancelled on Wednesday and Thursday with more cancellations expected on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Qantas said the contingency plans meant that more than 80 per cent of Network Aviation customers would travel on the same day they were booked to travel.
The Qantas-owned Network Aviation is at the centre of an intense industrial dispute. Network Aviation chief operating officer Trevor Worgan said it was regrettable that the Australian Federation of Air Pilots continued to notify of more industrial action. “The strike action over the next few days is clearly aimed directly at the Western Australian economy by targeting flying to and from mine sites across the state,” said Mr Worgan.
“The strikes planned over the weekend will mainly impact Western Australians travelling to regional towns across WA, including places like Geraldton, Broome and Kalgoorlie.”
AFAP senior industrial officer Chris Aikens said Qantas had angered Network pilots by walking away from negotiations, and taking previously agreed items off the bargaining table.
He said AFAP members “deeply regretted having to take this protected industrial action” but were left with no other option.
“The enterprise agreement expired in 2020 and pilots had their last pay rise in 2019,” said Mr Aikens.
“We have been negotiating in good faith for at least 18 months, but the company continues to be inflexible.”
He said Network Aviation pilots “just wanted to be treated like other Qantas pilots”.
“We remain keen and willing to meet with the company’s management to arrive at some improvements in terms and conditions for the lowest paid jet pilots in the Qantas Group,” Mr Aikens said.
Qantas said it was wrong to say they had walked away from negotiations after making three offers, all of which were voted down by the pilots despite support from unions.
The airline also denied Network Aviation pilots were paid “significantly less” than others employed by Qantas, pointing out those pilots flew “significantly fewer hours”.
In an effort to resolve the dispute, Qantas has made an intractable bargaining application to the Fair Work Commission.
If accepted, the application would see the Commission enforce a new agreement to cover the pilots, and prevent further industrial action.
Mr Worgan said they were pulling out “all stops to get customers to their destination on the same day”.
“We’ve also put in place longer-term contingency plans to protect our customers should the union persist with their strike action,” he said.
Those plans included locking in other charter aircraft and pilots to perform the Network Aviation flights
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A cynic might say they pulled those 5 items just prior to declaring IB so that the Commission starts the corrective action from a lower base. I’m not convinced that’s how it works. The commission will not look favourably on gamesmanship any more than the deliberately slow rate at which the expired EB negotiation commenced. How long have these guys been below the award? Will the back pay include compensation for opportunities lost and mortgages that may have benefited from a bit of extra during rising interest rates? Nope! All tactical and all very obviously intended to fvck pilots while bolstering (the illusion of) profits.
I hope these 3 days of PIA cause half as much angst at HQ as it caused at the coal face.
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Thankfully a minority opinion. I applaud the network guys and gals for going up against a daunting faceless machine to improve not just their lot, but the lot of every single pilot in the group, at significant risk to themselves.
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What a clown. You act as if these people are taking money out of your pocket. Pathetic sour grapes.
Thankfully a minority opinion. I applaud the network guys and gals for going up against a daunting faceless machine to improve not just their lot, but the lot of every single pilot in the group, at significant risk to themselves.
Thankfully a minority opinion. I applaud the network guys and gals for going up against a daunting faceless machine to improve not just their lot, but the lot of every single pilot in the group, at significant risk to themselves.
The point every Network pilot is missing is that you only exist in the Qantas group because you are cheap. 50% cheaper, less the bonuses paid to your management for screwing you even further.
You can walk around Perth with a beard dressed like a Qantas pilot, and the company will dangle the carrot of you replacing the 50 or so 737s which will be retired, but it all comes down to price.
If you continue to be cheaper than mainline, then the world is your Oyster. If not, ultimately, you will be in a dying operation like Qantas short-haul is now.
You took the early commands on offer, you undercut everyone else in the industry. Thats your lot now. You’re kidding yourself otherwise.
You can walk around Perth with a beard dressed like a Qantas pilot, and the company will dangle the carrot of you replacing the 50 or so 737s which will be retired, but it all comes down to price.
If you continue to be cheaper than mainline, then the world is your Oyster. If not, ultimately, you will be in a dying operation like Qantas short-haul is now.
You took the early commands on offer, you undercut everyone else in the industry. Thats your lot now. You’re kidding yourself otherwise.
The current arrangement QF wish is low cost and ultimate flexibility with little provision for crew to be rewarded when their productivity increases. Any moron would know that you can’t have it both ways and your comments indicate you think there’s a group of pilots that should.
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Idiotic attitude. The pilots working at Network applied for the jobs that were available when they were available and targeting them because of the long running industrial actions of the company is so counter-productive. Embarrassing.
Can one of you folk in Network post a daily update on the flights that were scheduled to be operated v’s the flights that are operated ? I’ll be interested to see how it marries up with the Qantas press releases.
But they don’t want 737 rates? I mean, of course that would be great, but a base closer to its low cost sibling would appropriate.
Isn’t the issue around all the clauses? Not so much the base pay?
Isn’t the issue around all the clauses? Not so much the base pay?
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How is it undercutting if you work for a different company? Why shouldn't anyone fight to be paid what they think they're worth?
It’s a tough thing to watch. Network pilots are just taking a job and promotion in good faith. However it’s at the expense of someone else’s job and promotion.
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When you live....
So surely its better to have all Qantas group pilots on similar cost rates? Then there is no incentive to replace mainline? From my outsiders view, NAA is more of a lifestyle job than mainline and they want to make it harder for QF to put them onto mainline patterns by building in protections and getting paid allowances that make them less competitive to operate mainline routes and patterns.
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Understood, but that's a company doing that - not the employees. The entire industry needs to push for better pay and conditions - including mainline domestic crew.
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Outsourcing happened to pilots not because of them. Division from within the pilot group has proven to enable management to thrive. It’s time to leave that in the past and throw our energy behind these guys and girls.
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It’s such a minority opinion it’s barely worth thinking about. The disgruntled, the flat-earthers, the management stooges and the trolls are vastly outnumbered by the supporters on here, in the coffee shops and anywhere we meet. If anything I feel this saga has brought the overall group together like nothing before, which might be turning into a waking nightmare for all the douche bags in suits who’ve worked so hard to create division.
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