Network EBA
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Should the board
A) Cut the subsidiary pilots loose now that they are becoming more expensive ( in line with the labour market in general) ?
A) Cut the subsidiary pilots loose now that they are becoming more expensive ( in line with the labour market in general) ?
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Does anyone know if Oldmeadow consulting is involved in this?
This is going to become a real headache for QF. They have a queue out the door of people wanting to work for QF Long Haul wages but they are struggling to find anyone to work for subsidiaries. Throw into the mix this is mining charter which contractually requires experienced pilots and we are heading towards a genuine shortage of experienced labour globally. The only real option for crewing is to push the government to open up to foreign Visas. Failing that option I don't see how QF get out this unless they start paying the subsidiaries properly.
The other part of the headache for Qf is that these contracts are extremely lucrative with most of the seats booked by and sold to mining companies for a premium months or years ahead. These sectors suffer none of the variability that general RPT flying does. They can’t cry poor while killing the pig at the same time.
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How superior is the VARA offer compared to this? I thought they both paid fairly similar? You don’t really hear much from that camp, are they significantly better terms or something?
To anyone reading this who is an AIPA rep, com member etc. Keg you're the president, aren’t you?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
As an AIPA member I want to know why you’re quiet?
AFAP endorsed the last EBA offer, as did AIPA, however they have backed their pilots after the third no vote. Why hasn’t AIPA seized the opportunity to join them and get their members to take PIA as well?
We want answers. I was contemplating the last few months whether AIPA was staying quiet to look like the good guys to QF IR and try secure QF SH a good deal on the side quietly and stay out of the media heat, but after the laughable email offer the SH pilots across the road got from the company in December that’s obviously not the case. And FWIW, I haven’t spoken to a single AIPA member who understands or agrees with the logic of staying quiet like it’s all some confidential secret stuff going on behind closed doors.
So, on behalf of the many other mainline AIPA members who are losing faith in you and looking to switch to AFAP; what the hell are you guys doing? Asleep at the wheel?
And as for Network, AIPA don’t care about you either, I guarantee it
Hours flown varies but 700-750 wouldn’t be unusual- our version of min guarantee would be 845. 100-120 hours of duty a month and often over 120 hours being available to the company in standby (90 minute call out- good luck planning anything on a standby). Roster flexibility is complicated but it ranges from only RDOs being protected 7 days or more out to several hours either side of a rostered duty up to the time it starts.
There are many more gripes but that gives you a reasonable indication.
The VAA EBA is currently being negotiated of which any gains made in that EBA will pass directly to VARA pilots. There is an oddity in that they work under the VAA EBA but cannot vote on it. That’s the crux of it, happy for others with more knowledge to weigh in.
Good luck to the Network pilots we are all watching with great interest and wish a positive outcome for you. Stand firm, don’t blink and support one another.
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Vara pilots are paid the same as mainline VAA. So F100 pilots still on that machine are being paid 737 rates.
The VAA EBA is currently being negotiated of which any gains made in that EBA will pass directly to VARA pilots. There is an oddity in that they work under the VAA EBA but cannot vote on it. That’s the crux of it, happy for others with more knowledge to weigh in.
Good luck to the Network pilots we are all watching with great interest and wish a positive outcome for you. Stand firm, don’t blink and support one another.
The VAA EBA is currently being negotiated of which any gains made in that EBA will pass directly to VARA pilots. There is an oddity in that they work under the VAA EBA but cannot vote on it. That’s the crux of it, happy for others with more knowledge to weigh in.
Good luck to the Network pilots we are all watching with great interest and wish a positive outcome for you. Stand firm, don’t blink and support one another.
I agree, hopefully Network Aviaiton pilots can be paid what they deserve - a lot more than what they are currently been paid.
historicaly an EBA win with qantas can only mean one thing, the end is near. soon the bin chickens' will understand what it feels like to get bin chickened when another subsidery is created and expands rapidly to undercut them.
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you won’t get a reply from Keg, he’s too busy negotiating better terms and conditions for JQ guys and girls and first class travel for subsidiary Captains. He and the rest of them don’t give a damn about Mainline (the ones that have funded this **** show for many years). It’s a shame what these clowns have done to AIPA, I’d love to see the numbers of those that have gone to AFAP for better representation.
And as for Network, AIPA don’t care about you either, I guarantee it
And as for Network, AIPA don’t care about you either, I guarantee it
put one hand In front of your face. Count fingers. Include the thumb for luck.
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Why have QF pulled agreed terms and sought intractable bargaining from fair wok? Because they have nothing else, no intimidatory threats left, nothing.
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Right, so AIPA is too busy fighting for subsidiary Captains but they also they don’t care about about Network pilots…. hmmmm…. yeah, that makes heaps of sense.
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If you are an AIPA member why don’t you call the AIPA member enquiry line or email them? Contact details for the Executive and all the CoM are available to members on the site.
An open internet rumour forum is hardly the place to outline negotiation strategy.
Network members get their own updates from AIPA
From my conversations with AIPA, they have indicated they have no interest in using an EA negotiation for one EA to attempt to benefit a different one.
An open internet rumour forum is hardly the place to outline negotiation strategy.
Network members get their own updates from AIPA
From my conversations with AIPA, they have indicated they have no interest in using an EA negotiation for one EA to attempt to benefit a different one.
Spoke to them on the phone in the last few weeks and it’s more of the same: confidential. Can’t say much at the moment.
Boring.
~ $110-125k for FOs and $190-205k for captains depending on fleet. Overtime and allowances could potentially add $10 to 20k (the latter if you’re extremely lucky and/or prepared to make your life hell) on top.
Hours flown varies but 700-750 wouldn’t be unusual- our version of min guarantee would be 845. 100-120 hours of duty a month and often over 120 hours being available to the company in standby (90 minute call out- good luck planning anything on a standby). Roster flexibility is complicated but it ranges from only RDOs being protected 7 days or more out to several hours either side of a rostered duty up to the time it starts.
There are many more gripes but that gives you a reasonable indication.
Hours flown varies but 700-750 wouldn’t be unusual- our version of min guarantee would be 845. 100-120 hours of duty a month and often over 120 hours being available to the company in standby (90 minute call out- good luck planning anything on a standby). Roster flexibility is complicated but it ranges from only RDOs being protected 7 days or more out to several hours either side of a rostered duty up to the time it starts.
There are many more gripes but that gives you a reasonable indication.