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Looks to me like half the Pilots just gave up and accepted they would have to get a job somewhere else and started having interviews. The other half just gave up and accepted they work for a ****ty airline but like living in Perth for now, so will just hope for a better deal with FWA. Either way a bad outcome for all parties, moral & safety. Hats off Qantas you made another mess.
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What Qantas has proved time and time again is that they always seem to come out on top. If FWA Australia delivers a **** deal or even a deal equal to the latest offer then Qantas will have won big time. They care more about precedent than a few pissed off pilots.
FROM AN ARTICLE BY GOTTLIEBSEN IN THE AUSTRALIAN
“Commercial builders, recognising that the unions are totally supported by the government, are handing out 20 per cent-plus wage rises, over three years sometimes, accompanied by lower productivity. ”
So why should pilots amongst other aviation workers cop a 2 year wage freeze.
“Commercial builders, recognising that the unions are totally supported by the government, are handing out 20 per cent-plus wage rises, over three years sometimes, accompanied by lower productivity. ”
So why should pilots amongst other aviation workers cop a 2 year wage freeze.
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Because they do?
Pilots are a strange bunch, what other industry has the new workers so brainwashed that the workers are willing to pay to work or work for free to build experience? Or spend so much time fighting amongst themselves that Companies get away with murder. Even now when pilots are in desperate need Qantas Management still treats them like crap.
Pilots are a strange bunch, what other industry has the new workers so brainwashed that the workers are willing to pay to work or work for free to build experience? Or spend so much time fighting amongst themselves that Companies get away with murder. Even now when pilots are in desperate need Qantas Management still treats them like crap.
what other industry has the new workers so brainwashed that the workers are willing to pay to work or work for free to build experience?
The top end of these all professions though get paid in the millions.
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That waffle reminds me of the job applicant who, at interview, says their ‘faults’ include that their dedication to work often results in the sacrifice of free time and extra remuneration.
Here’s the truth: A “locked in workforce who can't leave” will get whatever remuneration package the employer chooses to provide (moderated by whatever award crumbs might have to be thrown).
Here’s the truth: A “locked in workforce who can't leave” will get whatever remuneration package the employer chooses to provide (moderated by whatever award crumbs might have to be thrown).
Looks to me like half the Pilots just gave up and accepted they would have to get a job somewhere else and started having interviews. The other half just gave up and accepted they work for a ****ty airline but like living in Perth for now, so will just hope for a better deal with FWA. Either way a bad outcome for all parties, moral & safety. Hats off Qantas you made another mess.
Last edited by TooManyPineapples; 8th May 2024 at 04:30.
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you will be required to deep dive into the cultural and operational frameworks within the business to understand opportunities for improvement.
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“Deep dive” 
Is somebody trying to meet a KPI of HR technobabble in that job ad? Engagement strategy, rebuild strategy, strategic alignment. What a wank.
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So the person they want in this role has “
Basically they want someone who has sat in a management role for a minimum of ten years doing plenty of ‘blue sky thinking’ , engaging in ‘idea showers’ and identifying ‘pain points’.
If they really want a cultural shift they should identify a Check or Training Captain from one of the other subsidiaries who is well respected by both Management and line pilots and is known for their sensible balanced approach to all things flying, and pay them their normal salary plus $100k to do a 12 month fixed term contract whereby they get their own desk in Flt Ops and jump seat wherever hey want when they want and attend all Network Exec management meetings. They could easily identify all personnel who should be on the bus, and those who should be booted off the bus. When a culture goes this far south it won’t self correct without some restructuring. There are plenty of Trainers who fit this bill and many have previously held Flt Ops management deputy roles and are comfortable in an HQ environment. By appointing yet another master of theory who has never done four early returns or a double BOC, you are simply kicking the can along the road.
- 10 years of cultural program design and delivery experience
- Experience in strategy setting, program, and project management.
If they really want a cultural shift they should identify a Check or Training Captain from one of the other subsidiaries who is well respected by both Management and line pilots and is known for their sensible balanced approach to all things flying, and pay them their normal salary plus $100k to do a 12 month fixed term contract whereby they get their own desk in Flt Ops and jump seat wherever hey want when they want and attend all Network Exec management meetings. They could easily identify all personnel who should be on the bus, and those who should be booted off the bus. When a culture goes this far south it won’t self correct without some restructuring. There are plenty of Trainers who fit this bill and many have previously held Flt Ops management deputy roles and are comfortable in an HQ environment. By appointing yet another master of theory who has never done four early returns or a double BOC, you are simply kicking the can along the road.
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Working Closely with GMFO
This is an old QF strategy for managers not delivering. The correct title should be Mentor to GMFO. The contract length is the time they give the GMFO to find another job. EBs dead baby!
I just read the advert.
The more things change in the Qantas group, the more they stay the same.
There has been zero change in direction since Alan left the company.
The same contempt for staff and passengers. The same nothing was our fault mentality. The same throwing millions at consultancy for zero results.
The predictability is mind-numbing, and suggests to me that VH and the board actually have zero clue what they’re doing.
Hundreds of millions in ghost flight fines pissed away through poor decision making, but rather than pay NAA pilots what they’re worth, they’ll drag it off to Fairwork.
Make no mistake about it - QF management will continue to massively boost their own bonuses, blame everyone else for their errors and attempt to destroy terms and conditions for every employee group except for themselves.
To expect anything else in the future is lunacy.
Hopefully they get a monstrous fine and compensation package over the ground handlers which triggers a complete wipeout of the board and executive.
The more things change in the Qantas group, the more they stay the same.
There has been zero change in direction since Alan left the company.
The same contempt for staff and passengers. The same nothing was our fault mentality. The same throwing millions at consultancy for zero results.
The predictability is mind-numbing, and suggests to me that VH and the board actually have zero clue what they’re doing.
Hundreds of millions in ghost flight fines pissed away through poor decision making, but rather than pay NAA pilots what they’re worth, they’ll drag it off to Fairwork.
Make no mistake about it - QF management will continue to massively boost their own bonuses, blame everyone else for their errors and attempt to destroy terms and conditions for every employee group except for themselves.
To expect anything else in the future is lunacy.
Hopefully they get a monstrous fine and compensation package over the ground handlers which triggers a complete wipeout of the board and executive.
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Senior Culture Program Manager
Jaysus, what parallel universe do these people inhabit? Will this new manager be responsible for changing the management culture that constantly sh!ts on employees? That'd be a good place to start...
Jaysus, what parallel universe do these people inhabit? Will this new manager be responsible for changing the management culture that constantly sh!ts on employees? That'd be a good place to start...