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Exactly!
A few posts earlier he was advocating for a check and training rate that is a percentage and not a flat rate. If he was doing as little flying as he claims to be (45 hours stick, I nearly choked on my dinner!), the flat rate would work out better!!
This is without mentioning that 300k for being a check and trainer on a high capacity jet is hardly eye watering. Line check airmen in the US would laugh at that.
A few posts earlier he was advocating for a check and training rate that is a percentage and not a flat rate. If he was doing as little flying as he claims to be (45 hours stick, I nearly choked on my dinner!), the flat rate would work out better!!
This is without mentioning that 300k for being a check and trainer on a high capacity jet is hardly eye watering. Line check airmen in the US would laugh at that.
45 hours a month in the TCORG!!!!!? I’ll have what you’re smoking there pal.
This basically proves you’re not a pilot mate. Trainers at NAA get flogged as hard as absolutely possible, and have been for decades. That won’t change. This is why most pilots AVOID that role.
This basically proves you’re not a pilot mate. Trainers at NAA get flogged as hard as absolutely possible, and have been for decades. That won’t change. This is why most pilots AVOID that role.
If what was on offer was voted up I’d be on over 300K for around 45 hours a month. Yes I know that’ll all change when the company choose, yet despite them being short staffed now my roster is still all 2 sectors day returns and weekend off so despite the capability to roster all that overtime etc they don’t…
I don’t want to work those hours or do that many overnights. I’ve done that before and I’ve done long haul before so given I have a Command a variety of flying on the past the current roster suites me personally well. I can certainly understand it doesn’t appeal to all and especially if I was new to the airlines I would not want to do this my entire career, but for me that’s not where things sit.
I don’t want to work those hours or do that many overnights. I’ve done that before and I’ve done long haul before so given I have a Command a variety of flying on the past the current roster suites me personally well. I can certainly understand it doesn’t appeal to all and especially if I was new to the airlines I would not want to do this my entire career, but for me that’s not where things sit.
Even if this is true, you are (supposedly) a Training Captain.
Soseg is an FO. . .
On the same size jet, painted in the same colours, flying to the same destinations, paid by the same company.
Do you see the problem yet?
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I think you are missing the point here entirely.
Even if this is true, you are (supposedly) a Training Captain.
Soseg is an FO. . .
On the same size jet, painted in the same colours, flying to the same destinations, paid by the same company.
Do you see the problem yet?
Even if this is true, you are (supposedly) a Training Captain.
Soseg is an FO. . .
On the same size jet, painted in the same colours, flying to the same destinations, paid by the same company.
Do you see the problem yet?
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This thread has got way off topic. Time to throw the lock on it for a while. Shame really, it started off promisingly with everyone supporting a bunch of people standing up for a better deal for themselves
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Take your personal battles somewhere else or the thread will get closed permanently and the posters who can't help themselves from making and quoting personal attacks will be banned.
This subject is too important for a couple of people to get this shut down.
This subject is too important for a couple of people to get this shut down.
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He actually might not be.
As someone posted earlier:
Yes, they did it for years, on mainline terms and conditions. And now, Network pilots do it for less.
So it’s probably natural that some pilots feel like they have been undercut and are now expected to show support to those that accepted the lower conditions in the first place.
As someone posted earlier:
Yes, they did it for years, on mainline terms and conditions. And now, Network pilots do it for less.
So it’s probably natural that some pilots feel like they have been undercut and are now expected to show support to those that accepted the lower conditions in the first place.
and we all fall for it. Stop fighting each other and unite. It’s time to correct the bullying, lies and gross manipulation
It’s probably time for some self reflection. Just because someone holds a differing opinion to your own doesn’t necessarily mean that they are from management. Remember that there are pilots out there who voted yes to each of the previous proposals. I don’t agree with everything this guy has posted but I have the awareness to understand that my opinions may not be held by everyone else - and that is ok.
Someone posted earlier that this saga has demonstrated the best of the pilot community. If this thread is the litmus test, I could not disagree more.
Someone posted earlier that this saga has demonstrated the best of the pilot community. If this thread is the litmus test, I could not disagree more.
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I am unsure when the meet but following Qantas’ reiteration that they won’t be increasing the cost of the deal, I would suggest actual negotiations are unlikely. And for the pro-company folk out there, a flat out refusal to allow any increase in cost in an environment where price of the ‘commodity’ is increasing indicates zero intent to negotiate.
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, a flat out refusal to allow any increase in cost in an environment where price of the ‘commodity’ is increasing indicates zero intent to negotiate.
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This forum, not just this thread, is only still here on the proviso that flame wars, personal attacks and mentions of a certain year are kept out of it.
I can't watch this thread 24/7 so it may get temporarily locked from time to time and people who can't help themselves from getting into personal battles permanently banned.
Meanwhile others can discuss in a civilised way.
I can't watch this thread 24/7 so it may get temporarily locked from time to time and people who can't help themselves from getting into personal battles permanently banned.
Meanwhile others can discuss in a civilised way.
The 'Post Declaration Negotiating' period ends March 28th - I think the only thing that will assist now is the continued flow of resignations during this drawn out process.
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
Way cleared for Qantas outpost to win IBD
https://www.workplaceexpress.com.au/...p?selkey=63203
Way cleared for Qantas outpost to win IBD
https://www.workplaceexpress.com.au/...p?selkey=63203
https://www.workplaceexpress.com.au/...p?selkey=63203
The 'Post Declaration Negotiating' period ends March 28th - I think the only thing that will assist now is the continued flow of resignations during this drawn out process.
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
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The 'Post Declaration Negotiating' period ends March 28th - I think the only thing that will assist now is the continued flow of resignations during this drawn out process.
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
It seems the viewpoint shared in Law Reviews and HR/IR rags is that Qantas has the advantage now Intractable Bargaining has been declared...
*Paywall*
Pilots ignoring course set by union: FWC
Pilots ignoring course set by union: FWC
An "ineluctable finding" that the AFAP could not persuade pilot members at a Qantas subsidiary to vote up a new deal supported by the union has helped convince the FWC that it should make an intractable bargaining declaration sought by the airline.
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If there is any form of external influence, they will be killing the goose for sure. The pilot fraternity is watching very closely and the only reason the outflow isn’t worse is because some still live in hope. One wrong move and it’s bad news for the company either way.