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Old 20th Aug 2023, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Makiko
A lot of the Tiger/Virgin(330/777/Vanz) guys got a full years salary when made redundant when Covid hit
Does VA really have (or did have?) 12 month redundancy entitlements? or is that figure inclusive of outstanding annual leave, long service leave etc etc?

I don't work in the US, but I'd be inclined to suggest to any young buck go there asap if life permits, and don't let the possibility of furlough put you off.

Stay in oz and your forever carrier might well go bust anyway, and if it doesn't it will be death by a thousand cuts with the introduction of b scales, c scales, and continual outsourcing.

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Old 20th Aug 2023, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Makiko
A lot of the Tiger/Virgin(330/777/Vanz) guys got a full years salary when made redundant when Covid hit , now back on property with seniority intact
Totally false, none of the EBAs had 52 weeks severance pay. Those EBAs max out at about 12 weeks; so a fair bit less I would say.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 10:47
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Truly Fantasyland stuff

Its always the same old story, played every angle to perfection & made every post a winner or " I know a bloke who did this ......

There is no mechanism for an Aussie Pilot to obtain a greencard (aside lottery, partner) no matter who your gold seal "attorney" is - it doesn't happen. Lottery is virtually nil probability & partner . Well lets look at this way if in Aussie it takes typically 4 years to get PR via partner , it won't be any less in the USA. Like how you added he joined the "best" major & in a short 18 months , not just a NB command but a WB command . Holy crikey Batman . Just fantasyland

Like you Jester I would also say "well played" if the event of your fast track Delta WB LHS & others you mention - had actually occurred. But the event didn't occur

Lapon well the only B scale is ML Airbus SO ,not hearing any plans for that to be expanded. Well it is possible that the QF group goes broke but that has never happened over a long time . Whereas virtually all US pax carriers have been in Chapter 11 this century & that is when your contract can be reduced by very large % & the large furloughs etc

But I think the greatest fantasist would be VT , got an answer for everything claiming every post a winner . Claiming to have joined QF circa 99 as 25 yo & former RFDS King Air pilot or something - dream run in GA to be sure. Then moves to CX DEFO in 2006 , Aussie based & out earns all his QF contempories - winner winner chicken dinner. We can all remember that rush QF 7 year pilots leaving to join CX DEFO to take that 40% paycut - it was the quick & the dead. Then achieves LHS at CX after 10.5 years on the Airbus - somehow leapfrogging the 14 year requirement - well played Sir. Stressing how he " out earned" all of his QF contemps every year. Also boasted that he beat his QF contempts to LHS , stating the earliest they got it was 2017- little problem with this - just called reality as 99 joiners could have got a 737 lhs by 2010/12. Said he was at major int airline for 15 years & now amended that to left in 2017, so we are at 11 years now. & Now this magic man has obtained a green card , is flying the friendly skies at United & just so boastful about his earnings. I don't accept he worked for any of these airlines

Its always the same old story

Think you might find they had to pay the statutory minimum which is two weeks for every year despite what was written in the EBA , which I am pretty sure was above 12 weeks anyway. All other outstandings sick leave , vacation, long service etc etc. The payments were on the generous side to get the "deal done" . I certainly knew Tiger guys with about 8/9 years that were getting 12 months pay, VANZ guys with less than 3 years picking up 70K . Pretty good deals across the board
Fair bit of whining by the 737 guys about for example the 330 pilots getting fat redundancy payments then returning etc .
VARA 78.2(b) 3 weeks for every year , max of 52 weeks. This was likely used as the benchmark as it wouldn't have been a good look different Virgin entities different pilot redundancies

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Old 20th Aug 2023, 11:16
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Makiko,

I can assure you that CX pilots who joined in 2006 and early 2007 got their commands on the Airbus in 10.5 years.

It then slowed down to 14-15 years with COVID, and now returned to as low as 8 years.
A lot of cadets and also direct entry pilots who were not part of the “core team” during C19 do not currently meet the TT requirement for a command course and are getting bypassed.

Lots of 777 FOs were making more than an Airbus Captain back then with double the time off, decided not to take it either.

These are the facts and stop arguing unless you know someone senior enough in CX and who was employed back then.

There was never a 14 year requirement, not sure where you got that BS from.

PM me if you want to discuss further and let it go please.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Makiko
Truly Fantasyland stuff

Its always the same old story, played every angle to perfection & made every post a winner or " I know a bloke who did this ......

There is no mechanism for an Aussie Pilot to obtain a greencard (aside lottery, partner) no matter who your gold seal "attorney" is - it doesn't happen. Lottery is virtually nil probability & partner . Well lets look at this way if in Aussie it takes typically 4 years to get PR via partner , it won't be any less in the USA. Like how you added he joined the "best" major & in a short 18 months , not just a NB command but a WB command . Holy crikey Batman . Just fantasyland

Like you Jester I would also say "well played" if the event of your fast track Delta WB LHS & others you mention - had actually occurred. But the event didn't occur

Lapon well the only B scale is ML Airbus SO ,not hearing any plans for that to be expanded. Well it is possible that the QF group goes broke but that has never happened over a long time . Whereas virtually all US pax carriers have been in Chapter 11 this century & that is when your contract can be reduced by very large % & the large furloughs etc

But I think the greatest fantasist would be VT , got an answer for everything claiming every post a winner . Claiming to have joined QF circa 99 as 25 yo & former RFDS King Air pilot or something - dream run in GA to be sure. Then moves to CX DEFO in 2006 , Aussie based & out earns all his QF contempories - winner winner chicken dinner. We can all remember that rush QF 7 year pilots leaving to join CX DEFO to take that 40% paycut - it was the quick & the dead. Then achieves LHS at CX after 10.5 years on the Airbus - somehow leapfrogging the 14 year requirement - well played Sir. Stressing how he " out earned" all of his QF contemps every year. Also boasted that he beat his QF contempts to LHS , stating the earliest they got it was 2017- little problem with this - just called reality as 99 joiners could have got a 737 lhs by 2010/12. Said he was at major int airline for 15 years & now amended that to left in 2017, so we are at 11 years now. & Now this magic man has obtained a green card , is flying the friendly skies at United & just so boastful about his earnings. I don't accept he worked for any of these airlines

Its always the same old story

Think you might find they had to pay the statutory minimum which is two weeks for every year despite what was written in the EBA , which I am pretty sure was above 12 weeks anyway. All other outstandings sick leave , vacation, long service etc etc. The payments were on the generous side to get the "deal done" . I certainly knew Tiger guys with about 8/9 years that were getting 12 months pay, VANZ guys with less than 3 years picking up 70K . Pretty good deals across the board
Fair bit of whining by the 737 guys about for example the 330 pilots getting fat redundancy payments then returning etc .
VARA 78.2(b) 3 weeks for every year , max of 52 weeks. This was likely used as the benchmark as it wouldn't have been a good look different Virgin entities different pilot redundancies
Dude you sound like a lunatic. CX commands did go down to about 11 years on the Airbus. I had friends upgrade there in that timeframe. Thereís never been a 14 year requirement at CX.

Tigerair/VA payouts were topped up by annual leave, long service leave and payment in lieu of notice period which are all separate to a severance entitlement. Tigerair redundancy was covered by the NES which is definitely not 12 months. If some people got 12 months pay then they had a lot of annual leave. It wasnít because the VA management buffoons were trying to be nice or have a special redundancy clause. VARA was never made redundant and they certainly didnít use that as a bench mark. You have no idea what you are talking about!
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 12:18
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The VARA ATR pilots were made redundant
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 12:20
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In 2025 the number of training slots in in excess of 900. That's in Qantas, not Cathay.
For those that those number don't satisfy, you can go to the states if you can, go to cathay if you like. If you're ex Tiger, condolences.
Most Australians however, want to work for Qantas. Some don't and that's fine, so if thats you, get out of the Qantas recruitment thread.
This thread is about Qantas. Nobody cares about Verbal, Veruka or whoever he is thiis week's career, it's of no consequence to anybody but him. Please get this tread back on track.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 12:53
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900? How do you have 1/3 of your Pilots in training and be able to crew the Schedule?
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Poto
900? How do you have 1/3 of your Pilots in training and be able to crew the Schedule?
they are not all in training for the entire 12 months. Thatís also includes initial SO courses. Looks like a significant challenge for Qantas Flight Training, but I pretty good challenge to have.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 13:22
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Good call…

When will ML start interviewing externals again?
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Makiko
Truly Fantasyland stuff

Its always the same old story, played every angle to perfection & made every post a winner or " I know a bloke who did this ......

There is no mechanism for an Aussie Pilot to obtain a greencard (aside lottery, partner) no matter who your gold seal "attorney" is - it doesn't happen. Lottery is virtually nil probability & partner . Well lets look at this way if in Aussie it takes typically 4 years to get PR via partner , it won't be any less in the USA. Like how you added he joined the "best" major & in a short 18 months , not just a NB command but a WB command . Holy crikey Batman . Just fantasyland

Like you Jester I would also say "well played" if the event of your fast track Delta WB LHS & others you mention - had actually occurred. But the event didn't occur
Just spoke with both individualsÖ

The one with the green card applied via whatís called an EB-2 NIW. Itís a a completely unrestricted, skill-based green card. Iíve even seen it with my own eyes.

As for the other bloke, the story gets even betterÖjoined mid-last year and already on a command course for the 757 and currently doing line training. He will be flying both types eventually as mixed fleet.

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Old 20th Aug 2023, 14:02
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I came over on an e3 2 years ago. Me and my partner are getting married shortly and I know several others that have done the same recently with the entire process to green card taking 3 - 4 months after application. 4 years? Are you just making these figures up out of nowhere.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 14:05
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Originally Posted by Makiko
Truly Fantasyland stuff

Its always the same old story, played every angle to perfection & made every post a winner or " I know a bloke who did this ......

There is no mechanism for an Aussie Pilot to obtain a greencard (aside lottery, partner) no matter who your gold seal "attorney" is - it doesn't happen. Lottery is virtually nil probability & partner . Well lets look at this way if in Aussie it takes typically 4 years to get PR via partner , it won't be any less in the USA. Like how you added he joined the "best" major & in a short 18 months , not just a NB command but a WB command . Holy crikey Batman . Just fantasyland

Like you Jester I would also say "well played" if the event of your fast track Delta WB LHS & others you mention - had actually occurred. But the event didn't occur

Lapon well the only B scale is ML Airbus SO ,not hearing any plans for that to be expanded. Well it is possible that the QF group goes broke but that has never happened over a long time . Whereas virtually all US pax carriers have been in Chapter 11 this century & that is when your contract can be reduced by very large % & the large furloughs etc

But I think the greatest fantasist would be VT , got an answer for everything claiming every post a winner . Claiming to have joined QF circa 99 as 25 yo & former RFDS King Air pilot or something - dream run in GA to be sure. Then moves to CX DEFO in 2006 , Aussie based & out earns all his QF contempories - winner winner chicken dinner. We can all remember that rush QF 7 year pilots leaving to join CX DEFO to take that 40% paycut - it was the quick & the dead. Then achieves LHS at CX after 10.5 years on the Airbus - somehow leapfrogging the 14 year requirement - well played Sir. Stressing how he " out earned" all of his QF contemps every year. Also boasted that he beat his QF contempts to LHS , stating the earliest they got it was 2017- little problem with this - just called reality as 99 joiners could have got a 737 lhs by 2010/12. Said he was at major int airline for 15 years & now amended that to left in 2017, so we are at 11 years now. & Now this magic man has obtained a green card , is flying the friendly skies at United & just so boastful about his earnings. I don't accept he worked for any of these airlines

Its always the same old story

Think you might find they had to pay the statutory minimum which is two weeks for every year despite what was written in the EBA , which I am pretty sure was above 12 weeks anyway. All other outstandings sick leave , vacation, long service etc etc. The payments were on the generous side to get the "deal done" . I certainly knew Tiger guys with about 8/9 years that were getting 12 months pay, VANZ guys with less than 3 years picking up 70K . Pretty good deals across the board
Fair bit of whining by the 737 guys about for example the 330 pilots getting fat redundancy payments then returning etc .
VARA 78.2(b) 3 weeks for every year , max of 52 weeks. This was likely used as the benchmark as it wouldn't have been a good look different Virgin entities different pilot redundancies
Alan!!!!!! How are you going? How's the penthouse renovations going? Must have cost you quite a bit hey?! Luck of the Irish that it's next door that you're getting done haha.
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Old 20th Aug 2023, 20:12
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Yeah sorry to hijack your thread, Sandy. I wonít write anything more after this.

But Makiko, itís kinda fun being gaslighted with hearsay & factual inaccuracies by an SO who probably hadnít learnt to fly when half these events occurred.

I donít give a toss whether you believe any of it or not. Itís worked out well for me, & Iím glad you were able to get to QF ML after losing your job at Virgin. Iíd go easy on advocating a B-Scale for A350 S/Oís though Ö..

So enjoy your Ď3 percent with offsetsí, & be sure to pull the ladder up on junior pilots/future hires Ö. Just like a good AIPA member. Hooroo!

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Old 21st Aug 2023, 01:25
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Originally Posted by Makiko
The VARA ATR pilots were made redundant
There were no VARA ATR pilots to make redundant. The entire operation was moved under the VAA AOC years ago and when they were let go they were not under the Skywest / VARA EBA, they were under a VAA ATR EBA. But yes, they were all made redundant.

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Old 21st Aug 2023, 03:08
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Yeah sorry to hijack your thread, Sandy. I wonít write anything more after this.

But Makiko, itís kinda fun being gaslighted with hearsay & factual inaccuracies by an SO who probably hadnít learnt to fly when half these events occurred.

I donít give a toss whether you believe any of it or not. Itís worked out well for me, & Iím glad you were able to get to QF ML after losing your job at Virgin. Iíd go easy on advocating a B-Scale for A350 S/Oís though Ö..

So enjoy your Ď3 percent with offsetsí, & be sure to pull the ladder up on junior pilots/future hires Ö. Just like a good AIPA member. Hooroo!
Imagine a world where pilots didn't constantly knife each other in the back.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 02:43
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787-10s would be a great 330 replacement. Hopefully itís enough to actually replace the 330 (and more). I wonít hold my breath though.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...er-2023-08-21/
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 02:59
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Word is it’s another 14 and they are 330 replacements and I’m sure they won’t be at the launch price that Dickson signed up for and Joyce cancelled most of .
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 03:59
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WOW, what an astute businessman! Cancel all your options for short term paper gains to help your own bonuses and balance sheet and then reorder them at much higher prices and leave the mess to a new CEO after you have taken $120 million out of the company. On some level I admire the audacity of such a move, especially considering he leaves with the Board thanking little Al for his contribution.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 05:02
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I think you will find that after this years AGM and bonuses it will be close to $180 million.

From todays Daily Telegraph

Mr Joyce will also benefit from the turnaround with him expected to receive 698,000 shares worth almost $4.5 million. He deferred bonuses during Covid that will kick in towards a $24 million payday at the end of his 15 year stint at the airline at the end of the year.”

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