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Old 10th Aug 2023, 07:31
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Upon joining QF as an FO will this result in becoming a 73 captain quicker then going the 78 SO route ? Or is the seniority number the only thing that matters. Any insight here would be appreciated.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Ranger290
Upon joining QF as an FO will this result in becoming a 73 captain quicker then going the 78 SO route ? Or is the seniority number the only thing that matters. Any insight here would be appreciated.
Say it after me, 'Seniority, Seniority, Seniority'

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Old 10th Aug 2023, 18:44
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So if Iím understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 23:57
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So if Iím understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
Your understanding of a seniorty system is correct (assuming you meet the usual upgrade requirements too of course).
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 00:40
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So if Iím understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
kind of. You'd have to be assessed as suitable by the CAAC , which is the aircrew assessment committee. All pilots are assessed by the CAAC before promotion (either CAPT or FO). They may require certain requirements before they'd allow you to do that.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 01:12
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So if Iím understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
Not Quite. Company FO time required for command. Some exceptions for ex wide body experience with other operators. All assessed by the CAAC.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 02:13
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So if Iím understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
Technically yes. Hope you have a lot of prior experience and it comes back fast.

Anecdotally Iíve heard that SO to FO upgrades spike in failure rates around the 7 year mark. Command upgrade would be much more rigorous.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 14:15
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You canít go SO to Captain unless youíve been a group FO/Captain in the previous 5 years
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 22:45
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So if I’m understanding that correctly I could sit as a SO for 10 years and then bid for captain spot on 73 and that would be no slower than sitting as an FO for 10 years and then upgrading.
After ten years you can indeed bid for that left hand seat. Then maybe grab a right seat for the next ten years waiting for your number to come up. But it won’t be on a 737.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 07:25
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So if my main goal was to become a captain as quick as possible on either a 737 or 787 technically starting as an FO or SO wouldnít make much difference?
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 08:00
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Nope, and I reckon they will have retired the 787ís by the time you have the seniority for a command on them.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Ranger290
So if my main goal was to become a captain as quick as possible on either a 737 or 787 technically starting as an FO or SO wouldnít make much difference?
If your goal is become a captain ASAP then take the first offer to secure the best seniority number you can ASAP.

After you have secured it, make sure you build up to the company minimums for a command upgrade if you don't already have them.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 21:09
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If you want to be a Qantas Captain quickly youíd be better off applying to Jetconnect or NJS. If you have jet time already itíll take you less then 6 months Iíd say.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 21:48
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If you want to be a Qantas Captain quickly youíd be better off applying to Jetconnect or NJS. If you have jet time already itíll take you less than 6 months Iíd say.
They said a Qantas captain, not a bin chicken captain.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 15:37
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With all of the new pay rates and conditions greatly improved for all US pilots, keen to hear on the opinion of others in here if theyíve made the move over to the states or ones that already have if they would make the move back to australia for qantas.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 17:49
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I left Qantas as a 767 FO in 2006 & now work for United.

Thereís absolutely no comparison between working for a major over here, & what is available back home.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 18:08
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Iím in a similar boat between choosing United or either qantas. I always had the assumption qantas had the best conditions, pay etc in aviation but now that itís time to make the decision itís not so easy.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 18:20
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Unfortunately T&Cís in Australia have gone nowhere. The reasons why have been discussed elsewhere (lack of a strong over-arching union, small industry & therefore lack of options etc Ö ).

But for a simple comparison, as a 2nd year narrowbody FO here Iíll earn over 300K AUD + 17% direct retirement contribution. Not including per diems of course 😄.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 19:11
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I would suggest it is a fallacy to directly compare AUD vs USD salaries outright. They are two separate job markets (though somewhat linked via the E-3). Not at all suggesting things in Aus can't and shouldn't be improved, but salaries in the US are markedly higher in a lot of fields outside aviation, such as finance and tech. I wouldn't expect Australia to be able to match these dollar for dollar in the near future

To answer the above question, I'm a current E-3 pilot I would pick Qantas over any of the current E-3 carriers. Would I take Qantas over a US legacy? Gonna be a tough choice

I also personally strongly prefer living Australia over the US, if this is not the case for you then your answer will probably be different
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 19:16
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Originally Posted by Verbal Kint
Unfortunately T&Cís in Australia have gone nowhere. The reasons why have been discussed elsewhere (lack of a strong over-arching union, small industry & therefore lack of options etc Ö ).

But for a simple comparison, as a 2nd year narrowbody FO here Iíll earn over 300K AUD + 17% direct retirement contribution. Not including per diems of course 😄.
You left in 2006 and now a second year FOÖ. Huh?
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