Qantas Recruitment

[soseg]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

Is it not a reasonable question to ask on the Qantas Recruitment thread?

When there are a significant number of other opportunities both within the Qantas Group and externally it would be irresponsible not to factor in the initial reduced wage (and subsequent long term affect on your Super) and the length of time before upgrades are available at Mainline when comparing jobs.

Your first six months during training at mainline could be unpaid and your super over your lifetime will be significantly better off at QF than anywhere else within the group.

[Lapon]

Originally Posted by soseg

Your first six months during training at mainline could be unpaid and your super over your lifetime will be significantly better off at QF than anywhere else within the group.

But that doesn't answer aussies question does it.

[morno]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

Is it not a reasonable question to ask on the Qantas Recruitment thread?

When there are a significant number of other opportunities both within the Qantas Group and externally it would be irresponsible not to factor in the initial reduced wage (and subsequent long term affect on your Super) and the length of time before upgrades are available at Mainline when comparing jobs.

Mate your training pay will probably last a grand total of 12 weeks, and compared to your base pay as a 330 or 380 SO is not hugely different. The rate is available in the EBA, it’s not difficult to find.

[aussieflyboy]

Originally Posted by soseg

Your first six months during training at mainline could be unpaid and your super over your lifetime will be significantly better off at QF than anywhere else within the group.

That would very much depend on how old you are when you start. If you were to start at Network Av or NJS and have some Jet experience already you’ll get a quick command and be on $210K+ straight away working 50 odd hours a month.

If you start at QF it’ll take you quite a long while to earn that doing 50 hours a month.

If you were to head to the US with experience under your belt then you’ll be far far ahead then starting at QF.

[Duck Pilot]

Originally Posted by soseg

Your first six months during training at mainline could be unpaid and your super over your lifetime will be significantly better off at QF than anywhere else within the group.

Unpaid whilst under training with Qantas???

How low can the Australian aviation industry go?

[morno]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

That would very much depend on how old you are when you start. If you were to start at Network Av or NJS and have some Jet experience already you’ll get a quick command and be on $210K+ straight away working 50 odd hours a month.

If you start at QF it’ll take you quite a long while to earn that doing 50 hours a month.

If you were to head to the US with experience under your belt then you’ll be far far ahead then starting at QF.

Well then you appear to have all the answers, why bother asking? Off you go

[aussieflyboy]

Originally Posted by morno

Well then you appear to have all the answers, why bother asking? Off you go

If you’re a mainline Pilot why not just throw an answer up? Are you ashamed that you paid for your own endorsement?

[Check_Thrust]

Originally Posted by Duck Pilot

Unpaid whilst under training with Qantas, if this is correct the aviation industry in Australia is totally f####d!

How low can the Australian aviation industry go?

They did not say pilots were unpaid whilst training. They made the [unsubstantiated] claim that even if they were unpaid during training they'd still be better off than other parts of the group.

[morno]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

If you’re a mainline Pilot why not just throw an answer up? Are you ashamed that you paid for your own endorsement?

Because it’s easily obtainable and I don’t believe that I should have to go do your homework for you. If you genuinely are interested in joining mainline, then I would highly recommend reading the Longhaul EBA and getting your head around it, so that there’s no surprises when you join.

And you can claim that mainline pilots pay for their type ratings, but bloody hell if that’s the case, it’s the cheapest one I’ve ever got.

Don’t Atlas have training pay? Or is that allowed because it’s not Qantas?

[SixDemonBag]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

That would very much depend on how old you are when you start. If you were to start at Network Av or NJS and have some Jet experience already you’ll get a quick command and be on $210K+ straight away working 50 odd hours a month.

If you start at QF it’ll take you quite a long while to earn that doing 50 hours a month.

If you were to head to the US with experience under your belt then you’ll be far far ahead then starting at QF.

[RealSatoshi]

Originally Posted by morno

Don’t Atlas have training pay? Or is that allowed because it’s not Qantas?

Actually, they don't...
On the B747 and B777 you'll be on US$97.60 per Hour at Minimum Guarantee of 64 Hours + Per Diems.

[MacTrim]

Hey, if I wanna 73’ with say Jitconnuckt, do I have to apply through the QF system… if the answer is Yes, I’m screwed 😐

[Lapon]

So Im following the nz thread or wages thread or something and people can answer a question, aussieflyguy asks what the training wage is at qantas mainline and it creates a ****estorm?

Makes me embarrassed to be an Australian but at least I don't work at Qantas if thats symbolic of the place.

[stillcallozhome]

Originally Posted by RealSatoshi

Actually, they don't...
On the B747 and B777 you'll be on US$97.60 per Hour at Minimum Guarantee of 64 Hours + Per Diems.

Very true. And then year 2 pay is $129 per hour. That’s almost a 30k gap which is your “training pay”. This has been the case with first year pay in the US for decades. Same as SOT training pay at qf (obviously different amounts between qf and Giant and unlikely for it to be 12 months) in regards to there being a lower rate when you first start.

[morno]

Originally Posted by RealSatoshi

Actually, they don't...
On the B747 and B777 you'll be on US$97.60 per Hour at Minimum Guarantee of 64 Hours + Per Diems.

+ Per Diems, isn’t that falsely inflating your pay? At least that’s what I’ve read from many who are **** canning pay at Qantas. So what you’re saying is that your base pay in the first year, is less than a Qantas SO? (97.60x64x12 = 74,956/0.67 = $111,875 AUD)

And I can’t say I have the pays in table format sorry Lapon, but you’re more than welcome to go look it up and create one. The main reason I can’t be arsed answering flyboys question is because he’s only out to try and substantiate a claim that mainline pilots pay for their type ratings (which is incorrect anyway), why waste my time

[Duck Pilot]

Originally Posted by Check_Thrust

They did not say pilots were unpaid whilst training. They made the [unsubstantiated] claim that even if they were unpaid during training they'd still be better off than other parts of the group.

That’s a total insult to every Australian Pilot, past and present if it’s correct!

Qantas displaying this behaviour towards Pilots is a Total insult to Australian Pilots!

[morno]

Originally Posted by Duck Pilot

That’s a total insult to every Australian Pilot, past and present if it’s correct!

Qantas displaying this behaviour towards Pilots is a Total insult to Australian Pilots!

I think you’ve totally missed the point mate, no such claim was made

[Duck Pilot]

Originally Posted by morno

I think you’ve totally missed the point mate, no such claim was made

I stand corrected please elaborate and my point is that Australian Pilots are being paid poorly whilst under training, if that is correct.

[aussieflyboy]

Originally Posted by morno

+ Per Diems, isn’t that falsely inflating your pay? At least that’s what I’ve read from many who are **** canning pay at Qantas. So what you’re saying is that your base pay in the first year, is less than a Qantas SO? (97.60x64x12 = 74,956/0.67 = $111,875 AUD)

And I can’t say I have the pays in table format sorry Lapon, but you’re more than welcome to go look it up and create one. The main reason I can’t be arsed answering flyboys question is because he’s only out to try and substantiate a claim that mainline pilots pay for their type ratings (which is incorrect anyway), why waste my time

No, I simply asked what a fortnightly or monthly take home pay would be for a Qantas Pilot under training. It sounds like anyone starting now will be on that pay for around 6 months.

If you’re stubborn enough not to realise why a training wage exits then that’s on you. I simply pointed out the obvious.

[morno]

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

No, I simply asked what a fortnightly or monthly take home pay would be for a Qantas Pilot under training. It sounds like anyone starting now will be on that pay for around 6 months.

If you’re stubborn enough not to realise why a training wage exits then that’s on you. I simply pointed out the obvious.

I’ll tell you what flyboy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. It’s approximately (because I can’t be stuffed looking up the exact figure) $2,500k a fortnight before tax, and per diems. 6 months is probably not an accurate timeline for SO training at the moment, they’re getting through quite quickly in most cases (and going to Singapore for the 330, nice per diems there). I did mine in the planned 12 weeks.

So if you want to run with your claim of the training allowance paying for the type rating, I’ll do the maths for you. Difference in pay between a checked to line SO and an SOT for the 330 is approximately $6k (after tax) over the 12 week period. Can barely pay for 2 sessions in a sim with that. Little bit of a difference to Atlas which is around $30k (when you account for first year and second year pay difference).