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Old 24th Aug 2023, 00:19
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What are they going to do with Jetstars 787’s lol
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 00:22
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Originally Posted by soseg
No extra A321XLRs ordered as promised. They said there would be narrow body orders as they want 40+ 321s. There's 75 737s to be replaced over a decade...

24 Wide Bodies but 28x A330s and 12x A380s to go over a decade including the four frames lost since covid.

Very disappointing.
I get it - I’m also cynical after the last decade or so of promises, but am remaining cautiously optimistic on this one. Times may be slowly changing. We will see..
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 00:26
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Originally Posted by stillcallozhome
24 orders, 26 330s to be retired. Doesn’t sound good to me but I’m sure Qantas will say how good it is for promotions like Finnair wet leases.
Haha, this sounds like the first tranch of announcements. More to come, slowly, so as not to spook the market.
For the first time in a long time I’m seeing a positive outlook for mainline, despite the naysayers and negative Nannie’s here.

The Finnair wet lease is hard to swallow but part of a larger deal that will be of benefit to mainline - eventually. Unfortunately, patience is required and we’re all very cynical after the last couple of decades.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 00:31
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Originally Posted by kcboy
What are they going to do with Jetstars 787’s lol
They make money and no one would ever buy those 787s. Why do anything with them right now?
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 01:01
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They make money and no one would ever buy those 787s. Why do anything with them right now?
Yeah that’s true I guess. I thought that they might of purchased a few more of them to build the network up a bit but evidently not.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 01:08
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Originally Posted by stillcallozhome
Ah, Options. I forgot how Qantas always exercise those options.

Apologies, history has made me a cynic when it comes to Qantas and their options.

im right there with you buddy. Just pointing out the facts. It’s easy to be completely negative, but it makes life depressing. Finally some orders for mainline, perhaps these are the ‘green shoots’ we’ve been waiting 20 years for.

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 01:44
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Haha, this sounds like the first tranch of announcements. More to come, slowly, so as not to spook the market.
For the first time in a long time I’m seeing a positive outlook for mainline, despite the naysayers and negative Nannie’s here.
Yeah I would say that with new CEOs comments about long term renewal costs they won’t be announcing big spending plans all at once. They can probably make an announcement on the next tranche of A321XLRs sometime within the next 12 months and still have them arrive from 2027 onwards in line with the 737-800 replacement program.

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 02:21
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So is our performance bonus this year all of $500 travel credit. ? Seriously? Surely not.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 02:27
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
im right there with you buddy. Just pointing out the facts. It’s easy to be completely negative, but it makes life depressing. Finally some orders for mainline, perhaps these are the ‘green shoots’ we’ve been waiting 20 years for.
You’re right. Just so hard to be positive after Alan’s tenure. Another $500m to be “invested” in share buybacks next month on top of the $1b he made (and the board approved) this past financial year is disheartening. I think most people would like to see that reinvested in planes, infrastructure, and it’s people instead.

I will try and look at it in a more positive way though. There are some good signs. As you say, life’s too depressing otherwise.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 02:29
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What else would you expect?
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 02:35
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Two weeks ago flight ops said they expect to hire 1800-2000 pilots over the next decade. 700 retirements.

Now it's been revised to 1500

Sounds to me like the long term plans to expand aren't going to be as good as people had hoped.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 02:35
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From what I’ve been told there will be 8 A330’s and all 10 A380’s still flying until 2023. So these orders are on top of those, plus the 12 Sunrise aircraft, plus the 14 787’s we already have.
So this order definitely represents growth.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 03:06
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Originally Posted by soseg
Two weeks ago flight ops said they expect to hire 1800-2000 pilots over the next decade. 700 retirements.

Now it's been revised to 1500

Sounds to me like the long term plans to expand aren't going to be as good as people had hoped.
’at least’ 1500…..
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 03:11
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Originally Posted by soseg
Two weeks ago flight ops said they expect to hire 1800-2000 pilots over the next decade. 700 retirements.

Now it's been revised to 1500

Sounds to me like the long term plans to expand aren't going to be as good as people had hoped.
There was 1000 new recruits planned from 2022-2027. This is to cover about 300 retirements, about 400 pilots to the A350 (expansion) and the remainder to cover extra flying or vacancies. Beyond that there’s about 550 retirements in the 5 years from 2027-2032.

So all things considered that’s roughly what I would’ve expected from a 10 year plan.

For instance there’s about 700 Captains in mainline now, after the extra flying is in the network (which is about 2027 I believe) there’ll be 900, and then all the extra vacancies which will be created by retirements which start up again from 2025 onwards.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 04:01
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So is our performance bonus this year all of $500 travel credit. ? Seriously? Surely not.
Joe Public won’t know or care, but AFR is sprouting the line of “another $340 million of bonuses and share payments, on top of retention bonuses last year”.

They pull this **** every time. Selective words on a slide under a pic of smiling crew and hey presto last year’s pre-tax EBA-contingent bonus is new again. No chance anyone will ask about it at the happy clap session/town hall.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 05:09
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They pull this **** every time. Selective words on a slide under a pic of smiling crew and hey presto last year’s pre-tax EBA-contingent bonus is new again. No chance anyone will ask about it at the happy clap session/town hall.
That's it...the same bonus(es) have been gifted about FOUR times already
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 06:27
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
So is our performance bonus this year all of $500 travel credit. ? Seriously? Surely not.

finally someone said it. That’s a flipping disgrace. Stand downs to help the company and this crap. It’s outrageous.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 06:47
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That had better not be the case, although I don’t know what can be done when my “can-do” selector is already at zero.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 07:34
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Can someone tell this mob to match ‘bonuses’ to income (progressive bonus system).

$6,000 means a lot more to a MAM or Altara cabin crew member on $40k and paying 15% tax a year then it does to a Pilot on $250k paying 45%.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 08:00
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Can someone tell this mob to match ‘bonuses’ to income (progressive bonus system).

$6,000 means a lot more to a MAM or Altara cabin crew member on $40k and paying 15% tax a year then it does to a Pilot on $250k paying 45%.

we are not getting a 6k bonus. We are getting $500 staff travel credits and a recycled bonus we earned over 2 years ago. We have bent over backwards for this piece of s@#$ company and this seems to be one last dildo in the a*$ from Joyce. Honestly this mob is dispicable.
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